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A change of tone: is Nokia the next turnaround stock?

0. phoneArena 01 Mar 2013, 07:22 posted on

Nokia has been through some very tough times in 2012 catastrophically losing market share and quickly giving away its leading positions in smartphones. But after a nearly $3 billion loss and massive layoffs in 2012…

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posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:29 24

1. rodkurt (Posts: 128; Member since: 29 Nov 2012)

sleek designs and powerfull mid-range phones...nice

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:43 3

6. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)

elop ia an a**...............

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:54 14

10. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

He's a CEO, so he knows how to handle a company better than you. Although he should have handled the transition better.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 13:48 2

30. yuvananda (Posts: 9; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)

Nokia Nexus would had been a dream transition!!!

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 15:08 4

34. ZeroCide (Posts: 773; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

Oh no! not anouther nexus.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 22:09

47. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)

the real nokia that people know is the best in hardware and software and will not use other's software!!

WP is not nokia's .... symbian and meego/maemo is!

do you know that WP plan isnt working as plan? it is already 2 years after transition yet they are still down...and still symbian has a respectable 5-6% market share even they announce 2 years ago that they will kill symbian... WP is still at 2%!! and i think 2 years is enough for WP to have 10% share...

the only thing that make me hate nokia the most is that why kill symbian and meego?! i understand killing meego because it has no ecosystem but its not acceptable just to end it then and there!! look at what BB10 achieve, 70,000 apps at release, nokia just need to support its platform and devs! a lot reviewed N9 as the next big thing! but what did they do, MSFT and NOK partnership!

while symbian, they should continue it!! they cant compete with android on low end if they use s40! only symbian that is comparable to android in terms of customization... WP and iOS dont have that... and symbian dont require high end specs thats why it is suited to be a low end OS!

thats why elop is a real A$$

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 18:25 1

36. Tutut.tukang.Kentut (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Mar 2013)

AGREE.... btw, this article looks like a paid advertisement for ELOP.

HE SUCCESSFULLY..... I repeat.... SUCCESSFULLY.... migrate the symbian user to Android...

the only problem for him were, nokia were not building any android phone.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:32 4

2. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

Agreed Victor. The carrier exclusivity is total BS. The challenge for them is to get Symbian users to the Lumia line (not going to happen unless MSFT work hard enough to make WP capable enough for Nokia's hardware innovations and bridge the missing feature gap between Symbian and WP), though I personally feel this may be the year in which it happens. Also, the new "we focus on US market, while we feel other strongholds like Philippines, India, MEA can lick our boots" is totally wrong. Not going to deny that the US is a very very important market, but I think I concur with Jolla's strategy on working on China, Finland and other emerging markets and then then going to the US one. The new Lumia's are awesome though I feel there should have been 3 devices instead of 5, the cross between 620/520 & 720/820 and the 920.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 18:27 1

37. Tutut.tukang.Kentut (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Mar 2013)

The problem with WP were the user don't want the live tiles.
Live tiles is so distracting and un cool.

elop/nokia has SUCCESSFULLY migrate 98% of symbian user to Android. Nokia only problem were nokia didn't make any android phone.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 19:50

41. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 1178; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)

i personally think that they're making it carrier exclusive because they've shut down alot of factories and they're hardly be able to keep up with demand if they don't do that

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:39 7

3. tiara6918 (Posts: 2036; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)

If the new strategy of Nokia is a carrier exclusive device then that is totally wrong. They shouldn't make an offer that is only few and limited. They should give out more options

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 14:57 1

33. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Carrier exclusivity as a strategy has to be the stupidest strategy imaginable. You basically give the middle-fingered wave to ~75% of cellular subscribers so that you can maybe get what, 3% market penetration in the carrier you have the exclusive with? Nokia isn't going to get many iSubscribers to switch. Same for Android.

The management team at RIM/BB should pray that Nokia keeps the carrier exclusive strategy in place. That is the only thing keeping them viable.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:41 3

4. dr_fajardo12 (Posts: 118; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

good articule. 100% with you guys. we'll see that in the future

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:42 3

5. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

Thanks for writing this Victor. Did Michael H help? Maybe it will alleviate some of the disdain some folks have for you around these parts.

I personally think Nokia is almost a must-own stock right now. Heck, one could get 100 shares of Nokia for one apple stock,.amd be more likely to make money.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:47 5

7. PhoenixWright (Posts: 102; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

I like Nokia, Period. but I did not expect the EOS to be designed like that. Hope It's just a rumor/leak. I actually liked the 808 look with its curves and hump better than this. Ambivalent :/

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:53 3

9. Victor.H (Posts: 658; Member since: 27 May 2011)

That is just a render. It actually probably won't look anything like that.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:16 1

15. PhoenixWright (Posts: 102; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

Wew, that's good to hear :D
The only thing that could compliment AND would make the 41MP lens better is a built-in protective cover [be it manual or automatic], It's probably one turn on :D

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 23:46

48. jsdechavez (Posts: 731; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

Don't care what it looks like..as long as eos camera works like the 808 camera

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 10:21 2

24. ABDULGHAFOOR (Posts: 104; Member since: 04 May 2012)

Nokia EOS pic is Awesome

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:47 4

8. avin007 (Posts: 139; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)

That white lumia phone at the top looks hot....

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 07:59

11. satydesh (Posts: 71; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

i too see on rising tide!!!

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:02 2

12. imsickwithsmartphone (Posts: 153; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

I like Nokia but it just that they should not focus only on one mobile platform..

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:10 4

13. Shubham412302 (Posts: 431; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)

the point I love is that each device will be updated for at least 18 months.
which is just like nexus

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:13 1

14. nikenturd (unregistered)

Nokia made a huge gamble and they lost.....I dont fell any sympathy for these losers....they couldve gone 100x more successful with Android

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:43 2

16. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

And what makes you think that? The last time I checked, the only manufacturer making any significant profit from android was Samsung. So what's your point?

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:47 2

17. freebee269 (Posts: 539; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)

The fact that you went eccentric with your 100x more successful comment discredits everything else you said.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:56 6

19. fly2click (Posts: 41; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)

I disagree. Symbian was the most successful Mobile Operating system to date.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 11:42 1

25. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

hahaha please cry us all a river of ignorance cuz you are steamrolled i guess

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 08:47 2

18. windroid (unregistered)

Would be interesting if they open another door to use FireFox OS for the entry line models (replacing Asha OS). In this situation if FireFox starts to gain traction they already have some basis.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 13:43

29. faisal8708 (Posts: 104; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)

they bought Smarterphone few years back a company which used to make OS for feature phones so in future we might also see Asha series evolve to something close to a smartphone

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 09:48 4

20. akki20892 (Posts: 3901; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

waiting for few more years.......then nokia will be on top......!!!

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 10:00 7

21. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

Something different about you today Victor.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 10:16 5

23. Sterijoana (Posts: 32; Member since: 18 Feb 2013)

Well, the article title does say, "A change of tone". LoL

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 08:22

45. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)

exactly.... this is what we call a clear post with facts...

thumbs up for victor...

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 10:03 2

22. linas_ltu (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

A simple way top become a top-three smartphone maker for Nokia is to adopt Android. They have everything what's needed: very good harware, built quality, camera, screen... exept OS.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 11:54 1

26. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Nokia 1GB RAM please

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 08:06 1

44. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1163; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)

lumia 920, lumia 820. you're welcum . and probably rumored phones mentioned aswell :D

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 13:18 2

27. cdgoin (Posts: 533; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)

Seriosly can someone double check thier info before posting an article

#1 Nokias top of the line is exclusive to AT&T in the US due to the fact its the global phone and only AT&T is on the global bandwidth. Tmo uses GSM but a odd bandwidth.

They created seperate phones for Tmo and Verizon for that reason..

#2 Kickbox is close to a native program for Dropbox and I use it all the time have since WP7.. get a clue

#3 I hope your right.. I invested a ton when it was $1.90 as I knew it was too low then.. and has abut doubled since the bottom.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 13:20 2

28. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Alright couple things Victor doesn't seem to understand. For my little supprise here, this time this doesnt sound too much of anti-Nokia article.

Carrier exlusivity: wrong strategy?
- totally good and fine strategy. In USA it is important that carrier, is promoting the device, that is as a "hero" device. At time others were not ready for it. ATT was and it was good choice for both partners. Verizon for example got what it needed to join in as well. Knowledge about market demand.

For Nokia it was also good choice. We all know that Nokia has difficulties to supply enough devices for ATT alone + the rest of the world. If all other carriers would have been in, situation would have been even worse. Exlusivity is good thingvfor Nokia. If carrier puts fair amount of cash in, it guarantees that they also want to sell a lot.

"Live Tiles can only go so far when you have to scroll through an endless list of apps with not even a grid display option to make your life easier"

- Typical comment from a guy who never even bothered to use WP. First of all, app list only contains apps, not games. There is nice and easy way to find everything from that "endless list". For example youvwant to use wikipedia app, just hit "W" in list and it junps directly to apps that begins with w. Much easier than in android or ios.

- No apps?? Camoon there is 130000 already and all of them are quality ones. There is no n+1 copy of the same pp. How many the one need?


posted on 01 Mar 2013, 18:32 1

38. Tutut.tukang.Kentut (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Mar 2013)

I was a nokia adict.
Got nokia since Nokia 3300
Then starting to use / upgrade to any symbian phone nokia throw at me starting with the 7650, 3650, 6600, 7610, ..... N8.

When nokia introduce the N9, I also bought it.
When nokia introduce the Lumia 800, I also bought it.

Because I love nokia so much, I use lumia 800 for almost 8 months. and my experience with LIVE TILES is BAD. LIVE TILES really uncool. It's a placebo. It's only looks cool for 1-2 minute, after that BOORRRINGG.. 130000 apps? Really??? The free apps is VERY LOW QUALITY compared to android/iphone counterpart. Out of 130K apps, maybe only 5000 apps that were in Android/iphone app standard.

BTW, sold the Lumia 800, really hate it, BUT I LOVE THE NOKIA N9 even though it doesn't well supported. I think nokia/elop were doing a BIG mistake.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 14:05 2

31. Loubielou (Posts: 508; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Nokia have choosen Windows then forgotten about its Loyal Symbian users,as Windows is to Restricted for those people,the look of Windows phones is so horrible with the Tiles,with Symbian phones you had loads of Themes so you could customize how your phone looks,Why No Radio or Bluetooth Sending An Recieving is also bad,then having to use Zune is totally wrong,so Mr Elop an Microsoft have really got change how Windows Preforms before the Symbian users give it a Try,but with more Android phones that Preform the same as Symbian its really going to be hard to get those people back,so glad i left Nokia after the N8 for the Samsung Galaxy S2 an S3 an with S4 on the way its going to hard battle now for Nokia

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 14:52 2

32. faisal8708 (Posts: 104; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)

Maybe u should do a little research bluethooth file transfer works fine i hav transfered pics songs through it even from feature phones.

Zune is no longer used by WP8 phones u just hav to mount it by USB cable and it becomes mass storage.

At the same time WP has go along way it needs a file explorer and many apps tht r still missin as for me i can no longer deal with phones with s**tty build quality and unreliable performance which dont deserve $650 price tag

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 18:17 1

35. krimHD (Posts: 106; Member since: 23 May 2012)

In Nokia i trust, i'm handcuffing myself to them forever :D

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 19:14

39. Rafael97 (Posts: 16; Member since: 01 Mar 2013)

I would totally buy a Nokia Android phone.. I remember old times when my first smartphone was a Nokia... the N80, great phone on that time :)

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 09:28

46. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

buy the n9 then, instead of saying it put your money where your mouth is

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 19:39 3

40. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

I believe the stock is going to go up. That is the reason why I invested in it.

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 21:57

42. gazmatic (Posts: 795; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)

the problem with windows phone 8 is not nokia but microsoft.... they want this walled garden experience.... it is not bad but it is not for power users....

being an 920 owner i have got to say that 70% of all smartphone users and 100% of iphone users who have not jailbroken their phone would love this phone

for the very small percentage of power users/ people who enjoy have backtrack5 on their phone/ some things are missing like: file manager, mkv support, better connectivity on non windows7/8 computers... (whats up with that?)

i'm still amazed how you can delete in seconds what it took a couple of minutes to copy...

those are the only things missing from windows phone...

posted on 01 Mar 2013, 23:13 2

43. kushki (Posts: 49; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)

While Nokia is doing good job, there is one major reason why they may not be able to succeed. It is MS. They are just not putting enough efforts behind the WP OS. I think the problem is way up on the chain with people like Terry Myerson (Head of WP) who is a typical MS old school and refuses to change with changing market.

WP is a good OS and I personally love it, but it is broken and missing a few big and many small features/enhancements that individually may not be significant, but all together can make a huge difference in one's perception about it.

If Nokia fails, MS will be the reason.

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