8 year old's Apple iPad charger shocks Dad, sends him flying across the room
0. phoneArena 28 Aug 2013, 09:43 posted on
A story out of the U.K. this morning could have been more tragic, and as it turned out, the events still left a father's fingers burned; eight-year old Chloe Gillooley owns an Apple iPad. Nothing unusual about that. After all, many children these days own a tablet and a smartphone. Last Saturday, Chloe was at her grandmother's home in Widnes, Cheshire along with her 34 year old dad, Tim...
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1. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Apple : "You're charging it wrong!"
18. KParks23 (Posts: 491; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
I stopped reading after i got to the part where he was "blown across the room"? Waaa... What kind of voltage they running over there hahaha ive been shocked by 120 and 240 and u don't do nothing but lock up and go the floor and. .5amps will kill you so what was it that blew him across the room other than imagination
58. Jack58221 (Posts: 142; Member since: 23 Feb 2013)
if the shock was anywhere near what they are claiming it could not have come from the charger but the socket it was plugged into. that sounds more like someone in my area that had metal cleats on during a storm and got struck by lightning. they where tossed about 15 feet.
2. Diego! (Posts: 526; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)
Was he wet or barefeet with wet hands when he did that??? If not, Apple is very responsible for this. They should improve security in their products!
3. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3570; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Trying to catch a case to pay for his daughters braces..
22. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
The money would be better spent on a stint at Jenny Craig (for both of them).
4. JMartin22 (Posts: 1398; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
Various shocking hazards and recently, a group managed to sneak malware into the App Store. Definitely not a good time to be Apple with this kind of publicity. Serves them right anyway, for all their grandiose talk, they're no better than the competition that they try to sully with aggressive bully tactics and name calling.
5. Sauce (unregistered)
As an electrician, I'm pretty sure a shock from a small 10w bzP can not send someone "flying" across the room, especially a man that size. A little buzz is more like it.
11. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
This story originating from the UK and viewing the adaptor electrical configuration of said adaptor, as an electrician, you may take note that it is most likely a 220v/50hz rating. Nothing to mess with. The amount of charred residue, leads me to believe that this adaptor had a dead short powerful enough to cause considerable heath risk or death if handled wrong. I would say equivalent to getting a shock from a high voltage capacitor. Deaths have occurred from such.
12. sprockkets (Posts: 1453; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
I can't exactly argue with this since it looks like a bad short, but I've shocked myself a lot of times on 120v by touching one leg of 240 on a/c units. It isn't fun but I never get sent across a person's yard either.
14. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
No. It's not fun at all. I've been railed several times from one leg of 208 and 240v. One time did send me to the hospital when I was an apprentice technician. I didn't fly across the room but was knocked unconscious. If this gentleman was wet, I could very well understand a greater danger and jolt to send him back a couple of feet. Air is a good insulator and when getting zapped gives you better chance to overcome from pulling back reflex. Water conductivity, not so much.
16. Sauce (unregistered)
My point being - highly unlikely to be sent flying across his room. If just one piece of this story is fiction, what does that lead us to think about the entire situation? I sense a case settlement.
24. stealthd (Posts: 1004; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
It's still a 10W power adapter, the only way for you to get a high power shock is for there to be a short circuit, and how he would have gotten such a shock is still a mystery.
30. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
If you look closely, you will see that the burn marks on the cover appear to correlate with an origination of the terminals of the adaptor which plugs into the wall. This is line input(220v); not the 10 watt output. This leads me to believe that there maybe a legitimate failure here. I agree, this story is still a mystery regardless. I'd be interested to hear the outcome.
40. tedkord (Posts: 6018; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Stories get exaggerated. I remember once at work we had a leaking propane line. All it did was ice up around the leak, we isolated the area, blocked in the line and repaired it with fire/rescue standing by. But it was near our front gate, so the public could see the activity.
The next day in the local paper, a neighbor reported hearing a big bang and seeing a big fireball. Neither happpened.
45. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
This is obviously fake and hes trying to get some free $.
53. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Okay electricians... you're forgetting something. You're electricians. This was just a user picking up a device.
Now while I'm sure you don't exactly expect to be shocked, you are aware of the dangers of your occupation and the idea of receiving a shock is still swimming around your brain. I'd expect also some kind of grounding or safety gear to have been involved in your profession.
So again, this was just a guy unassumingly picking up a consumer product. So when he says "shock" sending him across the room, I don't think he means shock as in the electricity, I think he means the shock as in the sudden event occurring.
6. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I'm still amazed that parents will purchase powerful internet tools such as tablets and smartphones for children this young, let alone not supervising them during operation.
13. ibap (Posts: 716; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
I don't know these people, and I didn't let my daughter have a phone at all at that age, but if you're letting them use a desktop PC (remember those?), how is a tablet or smartphone any more "powerful"? It is rarely the device that is at issue, but the information they have access to. And your statement has nothing to do with the electricity issue. Do you let your kids turn on a light switch?
I'd be asking if anyone ever taught her how to properly plug or unplug any electrical device. On the other hand, a great many adults don't know how to do it either, and tend to yank on cords.
35. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Ibap, it really had nothing to do with the article. It is more of an ethical proceeding. Parents are so quick to jump on how kids have grown digressed in physical socializing through outside playground activities or in lacking houshold chores or discipline, yet, allow their kids to interact on the internet without any supervision. Supervision is the operative word. It tends to be somewhat ignored when letting these young children access mobile content which could lead to anything that adults can. I have three grandchildren whose mom has caught our 9 year old granddaughtel doing things she shouldn't be doing. We fully blame the mom for not using common sense. Just hand over a tablet to your child and let her have fun? Not cool.
Didn't mean to get you upset. Perhaps I shall stick to the topic on hand from here forward.
43. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2256; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Take a look at the picture. It's a 3 prong outlet and there isn't any way to "improperly plug it in", or in other words, there is only one way to plug it in.
With the right conditions it's possible to be knocked back, but the only time ive ever heard of it was from my telecom instructor getting across 480V. Not saying it isn't possible, but sounds exaggerated to me. Either way, the charger is toast and the dad got a nasty shock if his fingers had black residue on them. Good that he's okay, electricity is nothing to mess with.
48. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Even 120v is nothing to mess with if not knowing what you're doing. There's an old saying that it's not the voltage, but the current(amperage) that kills. While both go hand in hand, more people are severely electrocuted by standard 120v products, even ending in death.
I'm not versed on European electrical guidelines but I believe that 220v at 50hz cycles that Europe uses, may be 180 degrees out of phase, with a transformer being tapped differently than American configurations. Rather than 220v being across the two hot legs on both wires and the third for neutral/ground, I believe Europe uses one leg to supply the 220v and the other for neutral and the third for ground. The important point is, that 220v no matter the application, is still potent enough to kill. As a technician that works on restaurant equipment, dealing with 208v, is everyday work. In spite of what other posters may claim. Grabbing the wrong wire or shorting any of these two wires, can wreak havoc. A jolt backwards may not be due to the voltage as much as muscles reacting to the current being run through the human body. In this case, a person may indeed be thrown a few feet. Flown across the room is likely a figure of speech by the victim, yet, concurrent with a harsh shock from the input side of the charger.
Does anyone really want to put this theory to the test?
64. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2256; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
I do low voltage work and you can be killed even from that (sweaty hands and 24VAC made for quite a jolt in my case). IIRC it takes something like 28mA across the heart to kill someone, depending on their body resistance and so on. I'm also not very familiar with european voltage, all I remember (from my boss who was an army electrician stationed in Germany) is their standard household 220 means smaller gauge electrical wiring required due to the lower current.
65. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2256; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Btw, you may be onto something with the muscles doing the throwing instead of the voltage itself. I remember having to replace a fuse on an autoformer (120VAC power supply used to buffer between line voltage and the device being worked on). I pulled the plug and went to get a fuse, meanwhile my lab partner plugged it in for her project, it didn't work, and she walked away. I come back with the fuse, not noticing that it's now plugged in, and when I pushed the fuse in my fingers made contact and my arm shot up in the air. Kinda similar to John Travolta from Saturday Night Fever.
I think a combination of your muscle theory, along with the lower cycles & different phase used in Euro 220VAC might explain how he was thrown back. We need to get the Mythbusters on this! ;)
8. JMartin22 (Posts: 1398; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
In other news - why do 8 year old kids have $500+ devices? It's called a jump rope.
33. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5986; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Marketing $500+ iToys to kids is the most insidious thing Apple has done yet. Kids aren't exactly able to make decisions for themselves, and when they throw a tantrum, most of the time, mom and dad just give in. Especially when they were wanting an iToy themselves.
And then there is the angle about how the iToy can be used at school - Apple has hoodwinked the school system into how the iToy can cut costs for the school system. Until Apple conspires with book publishers to form a monopoly....
51. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6891; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
A parent got his kid 4yr old a iphone. I was like wtf? U serious kids don't need a phone.
9. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3081; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
I'm sorry, an iPad for an 8 year old???
Did i read that right?
And dad did come out of the bathroom right??
10. seret6 (Posts: 46; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
what an inefficient and unreliable company apple has become?
15. kri5t1 (unregistered)
When i was 8 i used to play with dolls
20. hypergreatthing (Posts: 35; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
At least it wasn't an S-Bomb. They would of ended up throwing the charger under the couch and lighting up most of the UK up in smoke.
21. skymitch89 (Posts: 1164; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
The article says that he was "coming out of the bathroom". My guess is that he washed his hands, but didn't dry them and a good amount of water dropped across the prongs.
23. phonemonkey (Posts: 168; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)
not at all exaggerated
Because the shock would be a physical force that would magically force him flying across the room
25. moolotovzz (Posts: 24; Member since: 12 Mar 2013)
Parenting done wrong - more outdoor activities, less iPad
26. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
So what's going on? The first instances were after market chargers, now this is an official Apple device that had a major flaw. Also doesn't help the Genius told him both components were good.
27. PK1983 (Posts: 212; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
Apple products are sooooooo much better quality than their Android or Windows Phone counterparts. That is why there are entire kiosks in malls devoted to their repair.
49. quesoesgrande (Posts: 217; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
What does this have to do with anything?
28. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
"lets frown for the camera hunny" (smh)
PA please update us on the outcome of this.
29. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1677; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
This article is
31. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What the frack is going on with all the shocking iDevices lately?!? And does Apple see any benefits to wireless charging now? Sure, you have to set up the charging pad, but that will limit the amount you have to handle the charger. You guys might want to swallow your pride and backtrack on the concept.
55. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Hon Hai/Foxconn/Pegatron are pumping so many out that of course quality control is going to slip. Two of the largest presences in mobile is Apple and Samsung. Faulty electrical product stories seem to be mostly coming from Apple and Samsung... I'd say there's probably a correlation in there somewhere.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if faulty units discovered in QC inspections and scheduled to be recycled aren't finding their way off the backs of trucks or out of back doors and into retailer channels somehow.
36. boosook (Posts: 1171; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
To make him (or his daughter) fly across the room you would need at least an atomic bomb! :-)
37. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
Yu Gi Oh: IPAD 4! ATTACK DADS WALLET DIRECTLY! LIGHTNING CABLE STRIKE!
Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep -$750HP!
38. amilcarmz86 (Posts: 95; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
the bottom line is.... apple sucks and on top of that is expensive as hell!
39. VLaRueC (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Dec 2012)
Phonearena...the only news site I see articles with real value. The onion has nothing on PA.
41. tedkord (Posts: 6018; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Glad no one was hurt severely. Imagine not only watching your father die, but that he died from something you asked him to do.
42. Taters (Posts: 3690; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Looks like Apple is beginning to want more. Overcharging their customers by 10 times isn't enough anymore. Now they need to physically charge them.
44. MIBLegend (Posts: 4; Member since: 23 Mar 2013)
LOL "blow across the room"? A bomb might be, the charger only get slight burn so where is the explosion that can blow him away. How can people believe that and make a report LOL.
46. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Unless he was using an extremley high output socket that was wet and he just so happened to have a ton of electrical conduction on him there is no way. Long story short its fake.
52. Slammer (Posts: 1192; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
A completely dry human body has a resistance of roughly 100,000 ohms. Depending on the water content on the skin(such as showering, rain, washing hands and other H2O content within the body, the resistance can drop to as low as 1,000 ohms. Given the right conditions, the voltage and amperage applied to a human body, can cause the muscles to react beyond normal body control. Depending on the surge, The muscle reaction can indeed cause a person to be bolted a certain distance from initial point of shocking. In short, it is not the voltage that "throws a person across the room". It is the reaction of the body's muscles. There have been recorded instances where this has actually happened including tazing. Point of contact with skin is roughly 1,200 volts but only .02-.04 amps. The low amperage is not generally enough to kill.
A certain human composition can definitely be greatly effected causing one to be thrown a certain distance.
47. Taters (Posts: 3690; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Fake or not, it doesn't matter. They had so many fake studies and claims conducted by their fan club in their favor already that a few fakes ones not in their favor is long over due.
56. weedl (Posts: 50; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
the charger is already wrapped with plastic material how it still can transfer electric ?