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74% of polled Verizon subscribers who want to get an iPhone, are holding their horses for the next one

0. phoneArena 01 Aug 2011, 09:33 posted on

A relatively small sample of 216 carrier customers showed that the majority of Verizon subscribers (74%), who are planning to get an iPhone, are sniffing at the iPhone 4, and waiting for the imminent update, which should come in a month or two, if all rumors ring true...

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posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:25 2

78. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


pete, the only person thats making a big deal out of it is your buddy, taco.

The survey is pointless at the sample size. It lacks evidence, survey info, and a dozen other things. Its also not a statisically viable survey for the size of the crowd.

Noone is saying "omg its lying about 74% of iphone customers want the i5". If you actually READ the comments, you wont find that. I made a simple and correct statement about it, that Taco, like normal, has turned into an idiotic flame war.

Hell.. thats common sence. Why buy an i4 when the i5 is right around the corner?

Of course Taco will probably think that the new iphone is 5g.

lol.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:45

86. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


actually it's you making a big deal out of the survey not me. Troll

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 16:12

100. pete7625 (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 01 Jul 2010)


The sample size may be small, but I'm sure the results would have been the same with more people. Like you said , why buy an iPhone 4 when the iPhone 5 is right around the corner? They didn't even have to do this servey to realize most people will wait. Why do you need evidence? It's just common sense.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:28

118. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


because if your going to report a survey, certain people will take it as fact because they read it on the internet (ahem Taco). All printed surveys should be backed up with verifiable data. Its a simple scientific rule. If you cant prove it, and its not easily repeatable with the same results, its not true.

That is all.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense like the headliner of the article. It needs proof or its no different than lying and saying you surveyed 300 mice and 60% wish they could be a gerbil. Wheres the proof?
In fact its worse because it does seem like common sense. When you read the rest of the article it goes from talkin about VZW iphone customers to ATT iphone customers to random android people and all over the map. All from a measly 200 people, that you assume when you start reading are VZW future iPhone customers. The meat doesn't match the headlines.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 14:41 1

64. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


because they don't get it and anything that even remotely looks like is good for the iPhone they HAVE to attack and discredit.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:25 1

79. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


yea... ill take a 4.3 inch super amoled + screen over your 3.5 incher. Dont let the girls lie to ya.. size does matter.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:45 2

85. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


if you got any girls you wouldn't be an android user

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 16:06 3

98. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ud get girls if u realized they dont care that u have an iphone. its not a status symbol. lol

Ive been married longer than you've been in middle school (and from the looks of it, its been a while). Even my wife thinks most iphone users like you are lacking in certain areas and they think somehow an iphone is compensating for that.. lol

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:18

110. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Haha if you're married then you're definitely not getting layed lol

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:30

119. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


quit telling your mom that.. she keeps calling me and sending me gift cards. I'm happy married and well taken care of, thanks Mrs. Taco.

She told me she prefers 4.3 inches to 3.5 as well. Said something about a family curse.. lol.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:37

128. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Mom jokes what are you 12?

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 07:21 1

149. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


figured ud think it was funny since ur 13.. lol

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:30

120. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20013286-10391704.html


Maybe this explains why fandroids are so angry all the time.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 13:48 1

55. andro (unregistered)


leave those 3.8 million islave idiots but their 'new' iphone. 3.8 million people will be nestling in freedom with their new android phone in 8 days from now with the 500,000 plus a day activations

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 16:05 1

97. zuno gyakusatsu (Posts: 257; Member since: 16 Mar 2010)


no, they will be nestling in with their 4th warranty replacement in 90 days due to failed hardware and buggy software. go android!

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 14:01 2

56. dandirk (unregistered)


As perhttp://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

Sample sizes for Verizon's 100 million customers.

4% margin of error = 600

5% margin of error = 384

6% margin of error = 267

6.5% margin of error = 227

7% margin of error = 196

9.6% margin of error = 106 (please not this is almost 50% of actual polling size)

So we can predict the margin of error is 6.5% to those percentages.

Though I wonder how these numbers are effected by a multi-tiered survey presented in the article? I would guess a larger size is needed but I really don't know much about polling.

1. Sample is filtered by "wanting device", that smaller number is then polled for waiting for iphone 5... concluding 75% will wait. Without knowing the number of "wanting iphone" I would think it is hard to determine if the sample is proper or not.

Doesn't seem like a big deal... why would you buy something now, to only have it drop in price in 2 months... or get a newer version for same price (I assume).

Surprised no one is commenting on the retention rate of the poll... 94% for Apple and 42% for Android. Though again this is a tiered polled question... so sample size is reduced throwing out any people that don't have said device.

If we are to just guess that the iPhone/Android is spread evenly 50/50... The margin of error is 9.6% (assuming all assumptions are correct which is probably not the case).

That means Apple's retention could be as low as 84-100% (estimating) which is really good.

Androids would be actually 32-52% not so much. How much of this is sample size (again I do not know how these tiered polling questions affect such needs), or if there is an effect that VZW just got the iphone inside of a 2 year contract margin...

So many possibilities...

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 14:07 2

57. dandirk (unregistered)


I will reply to my own post lol...

Also one of the possibilities is flat out the masses prefer ios/iphone.

My opinion is that yes this is probably the case but not 100% the reason... marketing etc can also be factors especially with Apple. I have known waaaaay to many people that only recognize iphone. Yet that may explain BB converts but not android.

My assumption is that the #1 choice (I hope) is wireless provider... so verizon customers that liked verizon service was just waiting for iphone to come to them...

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:32 2

80. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


your info is fine, but you forgot to factor in ATT's customer's too since it is part of the article so the number would be closer to 200 million. That sample size isnt just VZW customers. It also didnt say it limited its scope to just VZW and/or ATT. It could have just been a random call to people on any carrier, and in that case the group size is 300+ million.

The problem with the article is that it makes many sweeping claims without ever mentioning the scope of the sampling, the type of polling questions, on and on and on.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:53

90. dandirk (unregistered)


You know got so focused on the numbers forgot about AT&T...

There is just too little info to make too many assumptions on the data...

Did they only poll android and ios customers... What about feature phones etc.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:33

122. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that has been my EXACT point the entire time. lol. welcome to my side of this stupid pointless poll. :)

How many people had non iOS/Android phones. Hell how many people had iOS/Android phones.. what were the age groups...
what version of the iphone did they have
what android phone did they have
how many were in each group
have they had prior issues with the phone
how confidant were they in their next purchase
what is the reason for the next purchase
do they know the differences between the OS's
what do they do most on their phones and how much do they enjoy it on their phone?

on and on and on and on.

there is ZERO scope in the survey.

worst survey.. ever. :)

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 14:42 1

66. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You're really going to take a hit on thumbs down posting facts. Fandroids don't like those.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:33 4

81. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


nah, i gave him thumbs up. The info was good.

I gave you thumbs down.. because your an iDiot.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 18:34 1

108. Owlet (Posts: 450; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)


I gave him thumb down by mistake. Hard to hit those thumbs on the phone sometimes. So he only has 1 down, by mistake. Guess you were wrong again.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 19:31

121. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You gave him thumbs down so I was right

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 14:55

69. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Hey, Android fans! This article has NOTHING to do with Android, so how did this become another Android/iOS battle. Yes, the sample size was small...so what! Do you realize how hard it is to get people to take surveys? I don't blame them for stopping at 216. Even if they had asked more people what would it matter? The report is about those who want an iPhone 5 instead of the iPhone 4. Not one word about Android at all. Pick your battles guys!

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:21 2

76. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4860; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yes, but we can interject opinions because posting on PhoneArena.com is all about opinions. I know it's not an Android vs. iOS thing, all I am saying is the poll sample size of 216 is small & a little misleading. Nothing more & nothing less. I never made this an Apple vs. Android thing at all. To me it’s not that serious.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 15:50

87. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


why is it misleading? Who cares it's just an interesting survey. You trolls have to try to discredit everything Apple.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 16:12 2

99. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4860; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


It's misleading because I too can survey 216 people & get an answer to say a totally different thing. 1,000 like you said would be a better number. I can ask 216 people right now & finish my poll in less than 2 hours! That is all I am saying. There are 1000 homes in my neighborhood. I can easily poll 216. Not to mention I work with over 3500 employees also. It’s too small of a sample size to have any true merit.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 16:18 1

101. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@SuperAndroidEvo. I agree with you on the size of the survey and I think you have every right to comment on that. And I don't think you were making it about Android, but others did. A few people may have misunderstood what the Article was saying and went on the defense. But it's not fair to say Android fans are overreacting as usual, because this either taco.

posted on 01 Aug 2011, 16:55 2

104. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4860; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yes I know what you mean, some people just seem to add fuel to the World War of Android vs. Apple. lol Well it's like that for some people.

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