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64-bit Android phones are coming for Christmas says ARM executive

0. phoneArena 24 Apr 2014, 05:48 posted on

Executives of chip manufacturing companies are a bit surprised (no pun intended) at the speed in which 64-bit speeds are coming to Android phones. Even ARM has been caught unaware by this move. Originally, the company figured that 64-bit technology would first be seen on corporate servers. Instead, after Apple introduced 64 bit mobile processing with the Apple A7 CPU that currently powers the Apple iPhone 5s, Apple iPad Air and the Apple iPad mini with Retina display...

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posted on 24 Apr 2014, 05:50 2

1. Calm_down_mon (Posts: 35; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)


why ?

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:45 3

17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3764; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Thank you to all who said 64Bit would NOT come to Android this year...

I have said it forever now, 4GB RAM & 64Bit WILL come to Android this year...

I hate to say it, but I told you so... lol

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:51 2

19. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


4GB of ram will come before 64bit. 32bit is not what's holding higher ram back. The shield 2 will supposedly have 4GB of ram and be 32bit.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 09:04 1

21. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3764; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yes I know that.

What I am stating is the Apple heads who were like WE had 64Bit first, yet to take advantage of 64Bit you need 4GB of RAM which the current iPhone CLEARLY doesn't have.

Android when they drop 64Bit, it will be done right with 4GB of RAM...

+1

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 20:27 1

33. elitewolverine (Posts: 1194; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


No 64bit does not need 4gb to take advantage of 64bit computing.

As posted before mine all it means is what it can access nothing more. And the size of single register (more data).

In the end 64bit can do more with less power

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 21:12

35. vikingsfootball09 (Posts: 41; Member since: 02 Oct 2013)


really? so it doesnt need 4gb+ to make full use of 64bit? is that why stories of apples 64bit mobile devices hang or force close with just 1gb of ram?

posted on 25 Apr 2014, 08:39

38. elitewolverine (Posts: 1194; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


no worse than a droid hanging or closing with 1gb 32bit os

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 11:39 2

24. StanleyG88 (Posts: 53; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)


32bit systems do hold back the amount of usable memory a systems can address. Each addressable bit has a unique address that the system uses to access it. A 32bit system can uses a 4 byte (8 bits) register to store the addresses (hence 32bit, 4x8=32). That means the total unique addresses possible are 2 to the 32 power or about 4GB. No memory above this amount can be addressed because there are no available addresses to assign to the memory above this limit. Going to 64bit system (uses 8 byte registers hence 64bit 8x8=64) gives you 2 to the 64 power number of addresses or about 16EB (Exabytes) of addressable memory space.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:49 1

18. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Armv8- "The architecture itself allows for more efficiency in the code"

That will affect both 64bit and 32bit.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 05:50 1

2. Teja171 (unregistered)


Where is the 64-bit Android software to utilise it ? 32-bit software wouldnt make much of a difference.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 06:02 8

4. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7416; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Reading the article is key, no?

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 06:08

6. Teja171 (unregistered)


I've done it. There's no word from Google about the Software. ARM executive mentioned only from the hardware point. He never told anything about the software right ?

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 06:55

9. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


edit....

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 19:17

29. wolfsaviorzx (unregistered)


If you think google isn't making a 64 bit Android you must be smoking dope. (it's actually already released to developers just a matter of official release). 64 bit Windows Phone is already in development as well. Most likely Google and Microsoft is waiting until 5gb Ram is on Phones before really pushing it (since it will take a long time for 64 bit native apps to be developed, consumers would automatically see "oh more ram" and that would help with development).

posted on 27 Apr 2014, 21:37

40. Teja171 (unregistered)


Get this to that StupidSmurf's brain. Did I ever mention that Google would never make a 64-bit software ? I did mention that there was no exact time frame of when Google would release it to the consumers. Don't you think that I never knew that they would improve their software ? Commenting is easy, but thinking and commenting is different. Think before you comment man.

posted on 26 Apr 2014, 22:16

39. Teja171 (unregistered)


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posted on 24 Apr 2014, 05:59 1

3. brrunopt (Posts: 398; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


This again ... the main reason we dont have others 64 bits ARM chips right now due to the delay of 20nm. Its not very financialy viable start manunfacturing arm v8 on 28nm just for a few months

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 06:08 2

5. Anshulonweb (Posts: 285; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


yes.....64bit is the way to go.....these processors are way more powerful than the 32bit one.....even 32bit codes run more efficiently on 64bit than on 32bit.....64bit is the future of smartphones.....

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:52 1

20. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


I think you read that wrong, armv8 is the prizewinner here. 64bit? sure, it can go along for the ride.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 06:27 3

7. o0Exia0o (Posts: 317; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


And driving a Ferrari would be fun too, but not if it only has a 1 gallon gas tank! How about working on the efficiency of batteries rather than adding the need for more power to an already underpowered device! Just my opinion though.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 22:23 2

36. Korgoth22 (Posts: 17; Member since: 21 Dec 2013)


Companies like ARM & Qualcomm make the chips, batteries are not their focus. You can't blame them for advancing the technology they focus on, just because another segment of the market (batteries) is lagging behind. I don't yell at the waitress, because the chef doesn't cook my meal fast enough.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 23:59

37. o0Exia0o (Posts: 317; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Yes I understand that, but they also write the codes to make the CPUs and GPUs work as they should when you use the device. Instead of throwing out a new chip set every 2-3 months they could focus on making their current offering more efficient thus saving battery life.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 06:46

8. yowanvista (Posts: 288; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


Android first needs a full Dalvik/ART runtime natively compiled for AArch64 in order to take advantage of ARMv8.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 07:16

10. 3rdDegree (Posts: 170; Member since: 13 Jul 2013)


PERHAPS the next Android update will be optimised to run with a 64-bit CPU and QuadHD resolution

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 07:40

11. chunky1x (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Mar 2010)


Christmas is too damn long! I WANT ONE ON MY BIRTHDAY! :D

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 07:47

12. Amir1 (Posts: 243; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


i believe s810 only in first half of 2015.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 07:47

13. KenAdams (Posts: 55; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)


64-bit processors for Android is an overkill. They already run so smooth on 32-bit quad core CPUs.
*(sarcasm intended)*

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 15:46 1

28. tedkord (Posts: 4288; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Preparation H is overkill for KenAdams. His rump is already so pain free. *(sarcasm intended)*

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:09

14. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6142; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


What's with the 64bit chip everyone is making? Thought the next chip would be OCTACORE.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 19:20 1

30. wolfsaviorzx (unregistered)


Both. 64 Bit 4 Main cores and 4 low power cores. Needs more ram though, i'm sure most consumers will be stupid enough to buy one with only 3 or 4 gigs of ram but I'll be waiting till it has at least 6 but prefer 8 gigs.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:42

15. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I like it, good news. :)

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 08:44 1

16. AfterShock (Posts: 2177; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Part of me thinks and hopes too, this years Nexus will sport the 64 soc.
I don't mind being a guinea pig for hardware as well.

Mark my words for this though,
LG will be the first to use it no matter the model of phone.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 09:24

22. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


So innovative.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 11:10

23. fireblade (Posts: 634; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)


meanwhile in PC world, no progress in x86 architecture. We're stuck at sandy bridge for 3 generations.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 19:22

31. wolfsaviorzx (unregistered)


To be fair this is mostly due to consumers not upgrading or not having a need to upgrade. I still have a 6 core AMD cpu that's running great. I think Steam Machines could push computer hardware forward if it sells a lot but who knows.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 13:17 1

25. PBXtech (Posts: 966; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Google needs to ignore what Apple is doing and remain focused on their own product instead. Google's push to make Android run smooth on slower processors is a great move, continue in those lines and move towards 64 bit when they're ready, regardless of what Apple is touting.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 13:54 1

26. superduper (Posts: 121; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)


Apple is not pushing Google to 64-bit processing. Google's OEM partners are under pressure to compete with the iPhone spec-for-spec.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 14:07

27. PBXtech (Posts: 966; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Google still holds the reigns. As for competition, marketing goes a long way. And on that note, I don't see Apple marketing 64 bit processing, the average consumer probably doesn't even know. What people want are phones that work great and have features that are usable daily, what type of processor it has is only for us tech geeks, which are the minority.

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 19:24

32. wolfsaviorzx (unregistered)


Android is already ready for 64 bit, it has been for years. Google has no problem releasing a 64 bit OS but what's the point with only 3/4 gigs of ram? Chances are it will come with Android 5.0 though

posted on 24 Apr 2014, 20:29 2

34. elitewolverine (Posts: 1194; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


No the kernel it is based off is 64bit, the android compiler that makes the OS is 32bit. You will need a rewrite of the complier which no doubt google is working on. It is not as simple as 'flip a switch its ready...'

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