24 hours with the Nexus 7: it's not all butter
0. phoneArena 18 Jul 2012, 20:00 posted on
Those of you that placed your pre-orders for a Nexus 7 in the Play Store may have been lucky enough to get your new Google tablet yesterday. To mark 24 hours with the new Nexus tablet, we wanted to talk about one of the more annoying issues that may not have been talked about yet...
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1. Synack (Posts: 677; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Sooooo it's a new device are there are new device problems that will be solved with time...... welcome to technology PhoneArena.
13. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I agree specially with half baked devices... being rushed to the public...
18. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 11849; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I miss the days of quality control department.
31. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Well, we do have quality control here and galito just earned himself his 3rd warning with that comment
26. Henrik (Posts: 141; Member since: 18 Feb 2012)
The R&D (the project from start to finish) was 4 months on this device, Google even said so themselves. So, yeah, "rushed" is quite spot on :-)
36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
how much R&D do you need with an established tablet maker using parts that are already available and an OS that was just finalized?
59. Henrik (Posts: 141; Member since: 18 Feb 2012)
You answered it perfectly all by yourself :-)
If you want to make a product that's unique and actually feels premium, you do as Microsoft and put some actual effort behind it. If you want to do some cheap ass me-too product, you do as Google and just screw already available hardware parts together and call it a day.
Thanks for helping me out! ;-)
52. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
U guys don't give iOS products that out. Just admit no products r perfect software, or hardware wise. Oh, and I'll give this comment the first thumbs down.
53. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Damn I trid to thumbs down it for the androiders but it said I can't cuz its my comment. Go ahead droiders hook me up with the thumb downs
2. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I agree. Devs need to get their act together, and Google should work harder with them to do so. For instance, releasing the tools and code sooner before release and asking the Devs to get the updates out before the deadline. Maybe take away editor's choice status for the big names if they fail to do so.
3. nak1017 (Posts: 328; Member since: 08 Jan 2010)
Well, nothing that can't be fixed in a week or so... small price to pay for a top-notch $200 7" tablet
11. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
a week or so? I think you're being a tad too optimisitc
21. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your confusing a branded tablet with the Nexus. When google has an update, it rolls out immediately on anything labeled "Nexus" that isnt tied to a carrier (cough cough VZW G-Nex)
30. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
And I think you're confusing the issue. We're not talking about an issue with the tablet itself, but with various apps in the Play Store, so a week would be extremely optimistic for those devs to fix things
37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I'd expect the major devs like EA to fix NBA jam within a short time frame. The more minor devs might take longer, but for the most part they've been pretty quick to fix issues in the past. Its not like all games/apps need a fix. Like you said KO boxing hasnt been updated in a year and still works perfectly.
However, knowing EN's borderline troll posts, he was probably talking about "updates" in general for Android, aka system updates... which is what I was responding to.
41. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You actually have it backwards. Major devs tend to take longer to update because they have more projects taking up their time. It took EA over a month to update NBA JAM for ICS, but most of the smaller devs made any necessary fixes within a couple weeks.
40. nak1017 (Posts: 328; Member since: 08 Jan 2010)
I'm using Amazon's Mobile App right now and according to the article, it didn't work on the N7.
So no, it's not just optimism...
42. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Amazon Mobile is still listed in the Play Store as incompatible with the N7.
Did you sideload the app? It would certainly work sideloaded, but I'm just talking about getting it through the Play Store.
4. shelley.bevacqua (Posts: 80; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
The author is right about novice tech buyers and their frustration with bugs in a product, function or application. I expect bugs, crashes, etc... I just love tech and innovation.
Still waiting for my Google Nexus 7 tab to arrive.
16. LionStone (Posts: 730; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
Not any more frustration than any other piece of technology/electronics.
56. mcbeav (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 May 2011)
I disagree, for the average consumer, this will be an issue. The average consumer has a hard time understanding things like this. I know from working in the cell phone biz for a few years. For some people, you can explain it to them a million times, they just won't understand. For someone like yourself, or most people on here, your statement is true.
5. shelley.bevacqua (Posts: 80; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
My fried got the Galaxy Nexus based on my recommendation. That was a mistake.
She has problems with her screen and AOL email account. Yes she has AOL.
6. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Have you tried another mail client like K9 with her? I heard that Aol doesn't play nice with the stock Android clients.
57. mcbeav (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 May 2011)
the phone is not for the average consumer, i used to work for one of the big 4, and we sold the galaxy nexus ( which limits it to one of 2 cell companies i worked for. ). This phone was returned 9 times out of 10. The biggest complaint was battery life. The average Joe just didn't seem to take to this phone. People really liked stock ICS, just not the phone itself
28. HTCFreak (Posts: 156; Member since: 17 Jul 2010)
If someone says: don't mess with the Nexus 7, he will get thumbed up.
If someone says: don't mess with the iPad, he will get thumbed down.
That's the way this weird world works now :(
32. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
All depends on context. If this comment were on an article about the iPad, the thumbs would likely be reversed. Similarly, you can't expect to go into Yankee Stadium wearing a Red Sox jersey and not hear some boos.
46. manzl (Posts: 24; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)
u got that ryt.. but why r u talktive all of a asudden..
45. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
but the thing is, N7 is not Google's answer to the iPad, it wasn't meant to be the competitor for iPad. It's another class on its own. Not even the same with that of Kindle Fire.
Obviously N7 can't win, right?
58. mcbeav (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 May 2011)
the 7 is not meant to compete with the iPad, it's not in the same class of tablets. you probably know this, but just love to express your hatred for apple products, in which you have never extensively used an apple device for an extended period of time to really test it out and see what its all about.
8. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
im sitting here.. my wife's nexus 7 in hand (took 35 hrs to wrestle it from her!!), and honestly.. I can say... who cares?
Micheal, you and I both know we are not the target audience for the nexus7. We "kind of" are, but we aren't at the same time. The target audience is the e-reader crowd that wants a bit more than an ereader. Its called a Nexus and its unlocked to get the geeks excited (and it worked.. big time), but we are still the margins, we are not the meat.
And as far as that goes, the target audience (my wife), finds this to be the most awesome thing ever. How many people play NBA Jam? Heck, Im plugged in and I didnt even know the game was out.. until reading your article! lol. Is it any good? :)
Also, what is the complaint on the screen? Its vivid and sharp. small text is very easy to read and vids look pretty darn good. When you compare it to its main competitor, the Fire, it blows it away.
I do share the frustration with the camera app.. or lack there of. There is NO camera app anywhere on the device. And before anyone says "it doesnt have a back camera".. no, it has a front camera, so there should still be a built in app for that. First thing I did was try to download a camera app.. any camera app.. and they are all removed from the market for the device since they state a "camera" is mandatory to use it. A simple fix would be allowing devs to specify "front camera" or "back camera", so as long as you have one or the other.. it works. But hey, it works fine through Fring, Google Talk, and Skype... tried em all.
As far as bugs, I havent seen one other than the Google Wallet bug, which apparently was in the fix last night (we havent tried it since the update).
THIS is how android tablets need to act. Period. Had the nexus been the first "google tablet" out the gate a few years ago, the market would be dominated by these things. Apple would be old news and a minority tablet player. 4.1 is so fast and smooth. All the power and options we love, all the eye candy apple users brag about... all in one package.
For myself at least, all other android tablets that come out are going to be compared to the N7. It IS the new standard. It didnt just move the bar a little.. it moved it to the other end of the field.
9. Nathan (Posts: 85; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)
Hey Remixfa, check out "Camera Launcher for Nexus 7" on the Play Store.
20. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
As soon as I can get my paws on it again, I will. thanks :)
15. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
well you said it yourself, the Nexus 7 is the new standard for tablets. So although this particular tablet may not be the target audience for the geeks but instead for the e-reader crowd (which I strongly disagree with, but that's a different topic altogether), the danger is that these very same problems that you want to ignore and overlook may possibly become a common theme in future Android tablets.
You may not be familiar with the game NBA Jam, but I'm sure that there are thousands who are. Gameloft's Real Soccer 2012 was on the front page of Google's Play Store and it didn't work on the GSIII. It was a big "what the hell?!?!" moment. Google really needs to watch out for things like this because small things like that can really piss people off, especially if its a favorite app/game
22. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thats not "google". thats the app developer. And that happens on EVERY platform when a new OS update drops.. yes, even your precious iphone has app compatibility issues when new releases come out.
That will NEVER change unless you find a way to force all developers to instantly update, every time. That is just part of the game.. on every OS. If you can figure that out, you need to patent it and sell it for a few million.
Dont get me wrong, I didnt say this wasnt a "geek's tablet", it still most definitely is. But we, the geeks, are not its target market audience. It is purposefully marketed against the growing e-reader/tablet segment.
And honestly, I can see why they went that route. Had they made a full featured 10 inch tablet that ran like this, the android tablet market would collapse. and only the nexus would be left standing. How do you beat silky smooth operation and direct updates otherwise?
I realize there is nothing actually special about the N7 other than its first to 4.1 JB, but it makes such a difference its not funny.. and I thought ICS was a great step forward. The first time you play with one, you will understand.
47. manzl (Posts: 24; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)
its no excuse for the devs to not to update their apps...since the majority of samartphone are running droid...saeemas lyk the devs dont pay attention to droid.. frustrated
23. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
like what Remix and Michael said in the article, I think the problem is not so much on Google, but rather the developers. They need to ensure that these kind of problems, especially so with popular devices like the SGS3 and N7 or GNex, be ironed out as fast as they can.
The only problem with Google is the timing for the source code release. They should release it before the product gets released to the masses to allow devs to sort out problems. That way consumers can get the product knowing that their fav apps are already sorted out to work with the new product.
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i do believe they send out dev kits/updates to app developers before we see official release publicly... i could be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure they do.
33. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
When the word Nexus is on it, we're always part of the intended audience. NBA JAM is a fantastic game and it annoys the hell out of me that I have to play it on my GNex rather than my 7.
The screen is good, but i find it a tad blurry, a bit dark, and obviously not so good in sunlight. But, as I said, it's what to expect from a $200 tablet.
48. manzl (Posts: 24; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)
its nt abt the 200 dollar tab or heck its nt abt the 500 dollar tab...once there is branding lyk nexus its then it should be optimize for popular apps and devs...thts why its stil lagging behind ipad..
60. BayouBill (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Nov 2012)
remixfa, you are right on about the target consumers for this tablet. I decided to get my wife an e-reader for Christmas and the Nexus stood out above all other choices. As a bonus I can have fun setting it up for her so it will work as transparently as possible. Unfortunately I am already coveting it !
10. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i don't think the Camera is the reason you can't install Amazon Mobile. my Xyboard 8.2 can't do it either and it has the full suite of Cameras.
14. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
I can understand the author's frustration. I have an older phone that was never updated beyond android 2.1 so I decided to root the handset and install a custom gingerbread ROM. Do you think google's play store allows me to install newer apps like Firefox Mobile?? not a chance in hell.
(PS. I don't need advice on how to install it by the way. Like the author, I'm just annoyed that google does this).
34. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not to sound callous, but if you have a phone so old that the best you can get with you custom ROM is GB, then I don't really care about your problems. Just get a new phone at this point. Smartphones are designed for a 2 year life cycle, any problems after that are your fault for not upgrading. That's like complaining about Google Chrome because your Macbook is so old you can't run 10.6
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
gotta agree there. Time to upgrade man.. time to upgrade. Even the el-cheapo phones come with 2.3 now. :)
44. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
if you want that phone to be able to run apps for GB, you can try modifying its build.prop
I tried once and it worked, I downloaded some Tegra games into my Desire S, also some Timescape apps as well.. But that could mess up the whole phone and your Google Play settings, which can be troublesome to rectify.
Best advice is like they said, upgrade.
19. valapsp (Posts: 557; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
Moral conclusion: Search for the app's name rather than waiting for auto completion. Hey that's only 5-10 letters more. Don't be that lazy.
25. ahomad (Posts: 175; Member since: 15 May 2012)
I don't see this as major issue. if you bought a device lacking rear facing camera, you would expect that it won't be compatible with camera apps, you don't need to be very smart person to figure it out.
and again, you are buying 200$ tablet, and you know it won't do everything, even the new ipad with double the price doesn't do everything, even the surface pro with 5x that price won't do everything that this 200$ does (or at least in the first few months). so lets be reasonable. for 200$, you get device that does most things and with better spec in some parts than other more expensive devices (quad-core CPU compared to dual in the new ipad, this is just an example, no offence).
35. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Read more, I said the same thing. But apps that aren't focused on camera functionality should work
27. strikercho (banned) (Posts: 156; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
Well, cheap always comes expensive in the end. And that is not an exception.
43. Klamba92 (Posts: 210; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
Are people still going on about the fact there is no rear camera, Who uses tablets to take pictures? Surely if you have a tablet you have a smart phone and if you don't have a smart phone you may have an actual camera that can take better pictures than the tablet can while being comfortable to hold and use.
50. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I think there are some valid points in this article, specifically the mention about the update schedule problems in the Android ecosystem. However, i think the problems mentioned are actually somewhat expected for a new device such as this. Take for example Apple products like the newiPad. That device has a much higher screen resolution than apps supported. Pretty much all the tablet apps are being updated as we speak. They did not come automatically updated to the new screen unless they were apps that Apple speficially showed at the reveal.
Bottom line, developers and whether or not the consumer can depend on them is very varied between people. Futher, taking into account these differences and update schedules, it is pretty much no better between the two. New products are not fully supported until after they are released for which support will come in waves.
A further example, even Netflix was not available immediately both on the new iPad, the very first one, or the first Android tablets that came out. It took time.
51. downphoenix (Posts: 3155; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
The amazon mobile app is just pathetic, one of the worst apps I've ever seen as far as the content offered. The mobile website is SO MUCH more robust its not even funny. So not being able to use it on the Nexus 7 is no loss imo.
54. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
The app on the picture is Rage Comics. I have it on my phone. :)
Planning on getting an N7 in about a month. Hopefully all the minor bugs/issues get sorted out by then.
55. buggerrer (Posts: 306; Member since: 21 Sep 2011)
Umm, the Nexus 7 *has* a GPS, and it's a damn sight better than the crappy aGPS in any of my phones- more accurate and faster locking, especially in the city. Works a treat with Google offline maps, too.
Basic research fail.