11 patents belonging to Apple and Microsoft that Android has been found to have infringed
0. phoneArena 01 Jul 2012, 17:14 posted on
The legal handwriting has been on the wall the last few days with Judge Lucy Koh slamming her gavel down on preliminary injunctions against the Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 and the Samsung GALAXY Nexus; Here is a list of 11 Apple and Microsoft patents that the court has ruled to have been used illegally by Android...
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109. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
If that's the best you can do, that's truely sad. All it does is prove you are a flaming liar. Everyone has seen that exchange and knows you as a liar. Your bring it up again just give new users a chance to see you for what you really are...a liar.
Oh and I'm typing this from a very laggy 32GB original iPad. These things get really slow when you add a few movies and songs, huh? I can see why you are so hateful towards anything Android. Micro SD card envy. Lol!
81. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Oh wait... How could I forget the greatest example of Apple and iPhone users display of S&M. Remember this...
Steve Jobs: "You're holding it wrong!"
iPhone users: "I think he's right. Why would a phone in my left hand. Steve, we are so sorry we ever doubt you and this magical device you have allowed us to purchase. We have no right to expect it to work in our left hand, how silly of us. Yada...yada... Bowing... Ring kissing.".
Now that was the most pathetically hilarious display of fanboyism I have ever witnessed.
72. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...in the next few years the iphone's "magic" will start to fade and the iPhone fanboys with it. I'm sure their will always be an iPhone, but mark my words... "
31. lonestrider (Posts: 88; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)
Why don't Apple make a 'smartphone' their patents? A device that can browse, multitask, calculate a system process and give results to the user in a display or displays, make a phone call with any connection, sent a message or group messages, play musics, and anything else.
So no one can even develop the technology anymore.
97. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)
someone else probably did already
probably nokia blackberry or palm
nintendo patented a phone that plays games in 2001 I don't see them sueing anyone...
34. BREvenson (Posts: 238; Member since: 17 May 2012)
This is proof that the entire patent system is ridiculous. You can patent just about ANYTHING...take that patent for "portable electronic device for photo management". Does that technically mean any camera, camcorder or other photography device made after that patent was granted is in violation and should be banned? Seriously, that's what it looks like from our point of view.
Think about it. There is very little room for innovation when every piece of common technology hardware or peripheral has been patented. Slide to unlock, voice command, camera control, specific dimensions/design of a product (see: iPad vs. Galaxy Tab)...it's all owned by someone. To those who say "well, they just need to stop stealing and create something new", I have to ask...what the hell are they going to create? Any phone that comes out, no matter how intuitive or innovative, is most likely violating at least one patent, so either you take the hit for the patent(s) or you don't release the device at all. That's some market we have here, where you either choose lawsuit (that cause you to lose money) or nothing (which causes you to lose even more money, and jeopardize your company's future).
This has gotten WAY out of hand, and I doubt there will be any relief anytime soon. So sit back, have a drink, and enjoy the show.
36. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
No no no. The patent for photo management is how it's done. You can have one without infringing on the patent.
You're exactly right on point 2. You have to pay people for their patents to make a phone and that includes Apple. And guess what. That's how it should be. These companies put a lot of money and hard work to develop the technology and deserve to get paid for it.
Patents GIVE INCENTIVE to innovate.
52. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Yes, patenting a gesture and sliding to unlock. Great innovation there. Cut the bullsh*t, that is a retarded argument, even for you.
apple patents sh*t THEY DIDN'T EVEN INVENT simply to block competition.
76. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Hope you don't mind me using this sniggs :
Cut your crap about innovation you hypocrite scum. You don't care. I can bet after the Nexus is banned, and Apple made the new iPhone look exactly the same with the exact same features you'd still call it innovation. I think the only reason people like you aren't banned here is because you're one of the few idiots who still support Apple and all the crap they stand for. Oh, 3G is FRAND but Slide to Unlock (Hell, Google's version isn't even the same way of sliding, with Google you can still access shortcuts, on Apple's version there's only one shortcut for the camera which is accessed by oh what oh what do we have here? Sliding up, exactly like HTC) and data tapping isn't? and owning patents to something that already exist is totally ok too?
To add to that, everyone here have been arguing and providing sources, what have you provided?
"You get the point",
"You're just here to argue",
"This article proves everything",
this article doesn't prove nuts about what Apple so called "innovated", it's just what Apple patented and what the screwed up patent system granted to them. Almost everything I've seen here in this article I've seen on phones before the original iPhone. Get your sh*t together, you pathetic excuse for a human.
92. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
This ARTICLE IS A SOURCE. it shows 11 confirmed infringements by Google.
3G is FRAND and slide to unlock isn't. That's not my OPINION. That's A FACT.
This whole article is nothing but proof of Google violating patents and then losing in court. You guys asked for proof and here it is.
100. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
It's PATENTS! God damn are you stupid? Patents are what says you own something, it doesn't mean it's yours. If you bought/built a house with your own money, it's technically yours right? But if your wife has her name on the lease then, no the house doesn't belong to you,even after all the money and investments you put into it, it's hers!
The lease is like patents in this case, except way more screwed up.
Apple didn't create any of these, they just own it because no one bothered to patent them before. Hell, no one bothered to patent anything in the mobile industry unless it was groundbreaking until Apple showed up and started patenting every little minor thing that they stole from everyone else.
We're talking about innovation, who created it, not who owns it, get your sh*t together retard.
101. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2704; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
The problem there is, Apple isn't interested in licensing, only blocking. Jobs creedo was to destroy Android, so do you think that they'd just simply license them? If so I'd bet that these OEMs would do just that rather than risk injunctions. But if that's not an option, then what?
And patents only give incentive to innovate because they are a roadblock if you're trying to do something similar. The problem is, there are only so many ways some things can be done, and if someone has them patented, anyone else is at their mercy.
But again the issue is what these companies are being allowed to patent. When they can patent something like "pressing your finger against the screen, sliding it down, and unlocking the phone" rather than the actual software code to make that happen, that means that no one can implement ANYTHING like that. If they actually patented the software code, someone else could come up with another way to get the same result, and they could have that feature as well. But as it stands now, they are patenting actions, not what it takes to make it happen.
I posted something similar to this in another article, but noticed you hadn't responded to it. So, would you agree with what I said, that the USPTO is granting the patenting of an action, and not the software code to make it happen.
38. ap1989 (Posts: 145; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
android should sue apple for copying the notification slide down
40. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Android doesn't have the patent for it
54. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Well, you don't have a patent on bafflingly stupid statements, yet you constantly make them. I'm going to patent idiotic remarks and being delusional to the point of constantly contradicting yourself. Then I will own you.
59. jut754 (Posts: 5; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
I'm getting a little tired of posting this link...
63. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Seriously man you're making yourself look bad. Google has FILED for the patent. They haven't been GRANTED the patent. As of right now google DOES NOT have a patent for notifications.
77. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Even if they were granted the patent they wouldn't sue you ball sack. Android is an open source project and promotes innovation, which means anyone can just take from the system and improve it if they want to. But of cause Apple just takes advantage of this stole it and not intend to give back, hell they're trying to sue the people who have been using the source of it in the first place.
And if Google stepped in and sued Apple for all the crap they stood for, they're going against what they stand for, open innovation, which you obviously don't get.
78. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Bs google sues just like any other company and cares no more for innovation. They're out to make buck just like everyone else.
90. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Sure, they want to make money, but not thru sueing and stealing. Google makes money thru advertising.
There was even an article here that stated that Google made more money off people on iOS than from Android itself.
The other reason Google makes software is to be a well known software company, brand recognition. Brand recognition is sometimes more powerful than money, it's the thing that bring in more investments and customers in the long run. Apple however tries to do both. And on top of that they're stealing from every other company (it's like they're not even trying to innovate anymore, Facebook integration? 3D maps? Notification bar?) and not giving anything back to the tech community.
But you don't care right taco?
93. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple hasn't stolen a thing. Everything they do is legal.
Facebook integration and 3D maps isn't a google innovation and Apple is free to add it into their OS.
102. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Yes, it is, but it's so minor Google didn't even bother to count that as innovation. Android users have been taking app integration for granted until Apple managed to make it a major feature for you iSuckers. And yes, since Android is an open OS they are free to add it into iOS. No one has a problem with that, what we have a problem with is that Apple are patenting what they took from other and using it to bully other. And on top of that you iFans keep acting all self-righteous that it's totally ok for Apple to steal existing tech and using it to sue others, but when others do it "Oh, that's stolen." Losers with double standards.
103. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Apple hasn't stolen a thing. Everything they do is legal."
Legitimacy and justice isn't the same thing. ;)
98. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)
hahahah you are actually correct for once
114. Sniggly (Posts: 7290; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I'll leave this here first.
Second, I'll remind you now that Google has filed for the notification patent first. If Apple somehow gets it instead of them, then we know there's something fishy going on at the USPTO.
Third, if and when that patent is approved, Apple is quite literally f**ked, because as much butthurt as you guys have claimed over slide to unlock, bouncing features, and other associated bulls**t, the Notification Center is such a bigger ripoff of Android by Apple it will be a five minute trial.
"Here's Android, circa 2008."
"Here's iOS, circa 2011."
Case. f**king. Closed.
Mind you, all I want, as I've stated TIME and TIME again, is for the patent wars to end and for all the companies to just come out with the best products they can. I don't want anyone banned from the market. I can live with some cross licensing. The judges in the decision over the top mobile OS should be the consumers, who-oh s**t, they've been choosing Android more often. I see why you're losing your s**t, Apple.
120. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
good Sniggly a almost cried.. if it wasnt for the foul language I will say is excellent.. except that your... thought involved lots of 'ifs' which i doubt if wil happen but keep up the good work.. if... you only knew..lol... if
39. quesoesgrande (Posts: 217; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
Why does it matter so much if one company infringes on another's patents? If every OEM infringes on a patent, obviously, its what the people want and works right. Most of those patents are ridiculous but I guess it doesn't matter. OEMs shouldn't be aloud to have software patents unless its something that's VERY innovative. Google, Mircosoft, and Apple have each made innovations. Some, like me prefer Android. (this comment written from an asus transformer.) Some like iOS. Others use Windows Phone. Dinosaurs can be found with windows mobile. Why should software patents matter?
41. Ruckus (Posts: 285; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Its funny how many people bash the iPhone and yet without it, there probably wouldn't be any android (and if there was it probably wouldn't be very good). Without the iPhone, we'd all probably be fighting over Palm and Blackberry still -_-'....
61. jut754 (Posts: 5; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
We wouldn't have android in it's current form. Android was being built long before the iPhone was announced. They simply realized that they would need to make it touch screen in order to compete.
I can feel the argument coming now... So Google stole the idea for touch screen from Apple!!! Let me interrupt you for a second. Apple didn't invent touch screen phones, they simple made them cool. Until you can file a patent for a "Device that causes mass hysteria in millions of people despite very few reasons for the excitement" that is not infringement.
64. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You don't get it. Apple can patent it becaus it was never on a phone before. Also Apple's implementation is much different than in this video. Again UNIQUE implementation allows you to get a patent.
79. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
And Google's implementation was different from Apple's too you hypocrite scum. Google's version is a circle within a circle containing shortcuts and a unlock icon. Apple's implementation is sliding from left to right on a rectangular bar with only one direction, how is that different from the Neonode? Oh right, because adding a little fancy animation is a "unique implementation" right? You're full of s**t taco.
110. -box- (Posts: 3973; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Not quite true. I'll grant that touchscreens may not have become as quickly prevalent without the iPhone, as most OEMs had decided the tech wasn't reliable enough for phone use and resistive screens didn't have the feedback and accuracy required for such a versatile product, which is why Windows, Palm, and Symbian had few moving elements and why grid-based OSes were so common. However, Android was initially designed to compete against Palm and BB, whereas Symbian and WinMo were going at each other for those that wanted the flashy screen. The popularity of the touchscreen went up after the iPhone, and its lack of stylus because of its larger icons modified the mindset of buyers: take just the phone out and use it, no stylus required. Nothing Symbian and WinMo wasn't already providing and improving. So while progress would have slowed without the iPhone, I think we'd be almost at the same point in terms of functionality and screen sizes.
I think the biggest contribution apple gave to phones were apps, in terms of social connectivity, sharing, and trying to get folks use them for fun, not just business. The iphone is and was a feature phone with extra room for apps and music, as it's essentially just an app launcher, but it made itself more appealing than other feature phones because of those apps, and since it was priced against smartphones, which were designed for business, and thus birthed the "smug-phone". Folks were absorbed by the advertising that this overpriced iPod + phone could do what a smartphone could but made for fun and to show off to acquaintances instead if just using as a phone. However, it took until the 3g and 3gs to convey that idea, as the original iPhone was limited to 2G and couldn't even di what most feature phones could (MMS most notoriously).
Thus, it did some things, and made non-business folks want to aspire for more out of their phones, but other phones could have done the same.
Sorry if this is a bit rambling, very tired and just throwing thoughts onto my keyboard
50. RapidCat (Posts: 351; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)
why mpt sit in same room and discuss of every pantent about royalty, ok thats make a handset more expensive, but thats the closes Fairness in this world.
so if apple have slite to unlock , another company can't use the slide to unlock, Apple always say about Fair, and thats how i see in the real world
i better see company ask for royalty than as to ban
53. darkvadervip (Posts: 365; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Seems as if I was Samsung I would wake up,jump and develop more wp8 devices since google eventually going to leave them hanging. Google knew they were wrong in the 1st place that's why they bought Motorola. They say the best thing in life are free/ so understand open source ain't the best. You pay for what you get.
55. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I agree man google and android will have a lot of problems with patents because they infringe on a bunch of them.
82. 12Danny12 (Posts: 20; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
Hmmm. Apple needs to calm down. But I think Samsung should do Wp8 devices for a while and then get back to android went it's over between apple and Samsung. It is fair. considering every android phone Samsung makes it get sued. every Wp Samsung makes it doesn't. I think yea.......Samsung should do some wp devices for a while and get back to android until the apple problem is done. I think it would also save Samsung money instead of wasting it between apple and them
104. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
samsung just cares about the money they can get by selling their products. they just jump on the android bandwagon putting it on smartphones and tablets and in your chromebooks. they don't have any loyalty on android and as soon, "if ever" windows phone become a hit, i'm sure they will abandon android and jumpship on wp!
57. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Seriously PhoneArena, you need to ban these childish imbeciles from commenting in threads, or quit making flamewar-bait articles. Your site is turning to crap because of it.
65. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I think that in some way it is useful for PhoneArena because PhoneArena is also getting money from advertisement (visitors/traffic) and these wars-debates keeps 'circulation'. :)
73. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
And that's the exact reason why they don't get banned. It's pretty unfortunate.
86. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I don't know if it is exact reason, it is just my assumption. :)
And since person don't use bad language, only express opinion (doesn't matter how stupid it can be), I think it doesn't break PhoneArena's commenting rules. :)
136. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Yeah, but trolling is, and it looks as though at least 60% of registered users are just here for soley that purpose.
60. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I am not going to say anything because I dont want to be held reponsible for fandroids and their anger issues... we are to far into the patent wars and regardless of what we do is not stoping any time soon... Go Apple
62. jut754 (Posts: 5; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
can you at least admit that the patent system needs to be fixed?
66. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Google needs to stop infringing. There's nothing wrong with the patent system.
83. frydaexiii (Posts: 1403; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
This is like a murder case where murderer who found a loophole in the justice system and while regular people are saying the justice system is screwed, f-ed up people like you who support the murderer would say "There's nothing wrong with the justice system, people just need to learn how not to get killed so easily."
85. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually it's not like that at all lol
That's a horrible analogy
67. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"we are to far into the patent wars and regardless of what we do is not stoping any time soon..."
Who are those 'we' ?
122. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
we me, you . everyone here we are having a discussion and fandroids fighting pretending they know more about laws than lawyers..need to get foxConn to lend some nets to put outside of Samsungs HQ
131. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...and fandroids fighting pretending they know more about laws than lawyers..."
And what about Apple fans?
135. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
what about it.. we never critized a judge for a decision. or call the patent system BS when is not in out favor.. so what about us
115. Sniggly (Posts: 7290; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yep, that wasn't passive aggressive, begging for attention, and baiting anyone at all.
123. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wow no foul language. we are making progresss.. now breath in and restart your Android device... yes.. it works again. miracle!!!
88. Aeires (unregistered)
Generalities such as these should at best be considered FRAND. How some things so vague as these get upheld just shows you how bad the patent office is and how technically inefficient some judges are when reviewing technical cases. Cases dealing with topics like this should only be handled by technically competent judges, of which Lucy Koh is not a part of.
89. RapidCat (Posts: 351; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)
Samsung already Fight back about Nexus phone.
so we wait for another news, and the news not on this site.