11 patents belonging to Apple and Microsoft that Android has been found to have infringed
0. phoneArena 01 Jul 2012, 17:14 posted on
The legal handwriting has been on the wall the last few days with Judge Lucy Koh slamming her gavel down on preliminary injunctions against the Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 and the Samsung GALAXY Nexus; Here is a list of 11 Apple and Microsoft patents that the court has ruled to have been used illegally by Android...
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1. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Seems that this article will attain a lot of comments...
95. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
There are basically two types of readers on this website. The first group can read the information and remain objective. The second group is all the other types, and I've never seen so many people express their unhappiness based on known facts.
Judge "Lucy" Koh (not "Lucky Koh) wanted both sides to sit down an reach an agreement and it was clear Samsung didn't want to settle. Okay, we now go do the path that Samsung doesn't want to go -- facing a battle where they have been adjudicated for infringing on Apple's patents. This is NOT NEW NEWS ... this is the natural progression because this was what Samsung wanted when it knew it was infringing on Apple's IP. Samsung must now reap what it sows.
I have been writing for a long time on this website that from a business perspective, Samsung should apologize, make amends and move on. Samsung's push in the mobile business was flawed as if gaining market share at any cost was the right choice. When you steal people's IP, don't be shocked when they sue you in court.
I have also been writing on the need to create new patents and how the patent system encourages people and companies to invent. As a patentholder myself, I was very impressed with Apple's slide to unlock feature and I knew someone will get around that patent, and I wasn't suprised when Google employed a systems of dots as an unlock feature. This is how innovation is supposed to happen -- you INVENT new ideas to overcome the current status quo. Stealing IP is just bad business.
The bottomline is if the courts don't protect patents, then there won't be any patents to protect. We need the courts to protect patentholders.
126. Otterbox (banned) (Posts: 71; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)
A lot of comments that will probably think Samsung has did no harm even though there's evidence and a judgment that they do infringe on patents owned by Microsoft and Apple.
Justice needs to be served.
132. ilriz08 (Posts: 9; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
the heck even the slide-to-unlock is a patent! i wish the apple would just go to hell. because they copy even features made by other companies and patent them for themselves then sue the creators of that features.
128. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
It's like a human body with patents on every organ's function
2. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Seriously, F*CK apple. Sub par novelty products aside, I cannot abide a company that tries to win by taking choices away from the consumer vs building a better product. Absolutely, disgustingly shameful.
118. ifan98 (Posts: 3; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)
No..Apple is the best...Most advanced..!! I love apple
124. dsDoan (Posts: 224; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
He cited specific reasons why he doesn't like Apple, and all you can say is "Apple is the best" without backing up your claim? Fantastic argument you have there.
133. ilriz08 (Posts: 9; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
the heck apple is s**t they dont do their own hardware they just buy it from samsung and sony.
127. Otterbox (banned) (Posts: 71; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)
Don't blame Apple. Blame Samsung for violating patents and not wanting to pay royalties.
3. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
These are all either trivial, stupid, or just plain ridiculous. "A portable electronic device for photo management."
THAT APPLIES TO EVERY CAMERA EVER MADE.
Slide to unlock is ridiculous as well. Android's unlock doesn't go the same way or even look the same. It also has several other options other than just sliding your finger across the screen.
Oh my God. F**k apple.
5. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Right? What will they sue for next? "our phone is oblong, so we're going to patent a shape and sue everyone that has ever made anything rectangular in shape."
F*ck apple, bunch of butt hurt nerds, can't make anything other than an ipod in various sizes so they try to c*ck block anyone that actually innovates and improves their products from the previuos itteration.
139. androidrockzz (Posts: 51; Member since: 04 Feb 2012)
the entire idea of a mobile by Apple was taken from other companies!!! Apple dint make the first mobile .. they just copied it,now they want justice ???.
105. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
At the end of the day, there appear to be work-arounds for each of the 'infringing' patents. For example:
1. Is slide-to-unlock an existential function? Remove it and the injunction falls on its face.
2. Same for bouncing scroll.
3. HTC developed a work-around for the data-tapping issue. I imagine the work-around is not patented, so Sammy could use the same solution if its handsets are infringing.
And, and, and. What is compelling about the handsets are the hardware specifications in conjunction with the core Android O/S - not slide to unlock, bouncing scroll or data-tapping.
113. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Also why samsung only, xperia models have slide to unlock they are not suing sony niether nokia in the "portable electronic device for photo management."
I had a Nexus imported for my friend now put me in jail and i will use "slide to unlock" and get out of there thanks crapple for the original innovative idea.
119. bayusuputra (Posts: 957; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
simple answer, apple is being a f**ked up kid who is jealous and scared of samsung.. f**king butthurt company..
134. ilriz08 (Posts: 9; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
because they know the s iii will kick the fight right out of the super crap apple iphone 5.
137. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Thank God Apple wasn't around to patent the automobile in the late 1800's. Imagine this; Apple holding the patent to "An internal combustion vehicle with two to four pneumatic tires for transportation of persons or payloads". We would have a half a dozen vehicles to choose from, and probably still stuck in the 50's technologically...
10. blazee (Posts: 337; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
i wonder what this will mean to android in America if the nexus is found to infringe on any of the patents
11. nicholassss (Posts: 360; Member since: 10 May 2012)
REally things like the bouncing are a big deal? who cares get rid of it on my phone and i'd never notice. I understand the whole Idea behind patents but it seems like arguing over them really slows down progress. everyone share every patent and lets just see who makes the better phone out of the bunch.
13. mas11 (Posts: 1033; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Why innovate when you can litigate? #AppleLogic
14. matrix_neo (Posts: 326; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
All these lawsuit of apple doesn't make them winner, Apple now is the blacksheep of mobile world. Instead of improving more of all the technologies that we have now, apple wants to monopolize it and stop other companies to innovate and use it. They think they are the only one should run the mobile business but sadly they are not capable of doing it. Their dominance of all lawsuit will come to an end, perhaps sooner. Being a blacksheep never succed, they will be doomed hopefully next year. Just saying...
16. ron1niro (Posts: 54; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
I don't understand fanboys. Let me give you a scenario; Google invests time and money into making android. They try to make it as user friendly as they can, they add features that will differentiate it from ios or windows phone. Some of those features, they want to keep exclusive to android and so they make them patents which means that for any one else to use them, they have to seek permission from google and if google accepts, then they have to be paid. Now, Mr apple who makes ios identifies one of those features of android and uses it in ios without google's permission. Google has the right to take apple to court because they have used their intellectual property without permission. No matter how small a feature might look to you, it helps in selling a product. If apple and microsoft thought that the infrigement was insignificant, they wouldn't have gone to court. Google has very few patents compared to other tech giants like microsoft, apple, nokia and sony. That is why they never take anyone to court because no one will infringe on what you don't have. It doesn't mean that they are the good guys, it just means that nobody copies anything from them while they copy a lot from others. Simple as that.
20. tedkord (Posts: 6188; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
So you're saying that, hypothetically, if Apple had a crappy notification system that users didn't like, and they saw a nice, funtional one on Android, and they ripped it off,...wait, what was the point?
27. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
That you're a moron AND a WELCHER? Is that the point or just a fact of life?
43. jut754 (Posts: 5; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Google has released the entire Android Operating System under the Open Source License. They have patents on the notification system that Apple blatantly ripped off and yet have not sued Apple yet. Why? Because Google supports innovation.
I would take a guess that the only reason Google bothered to patent the notification idea was because they knew that Apple would patent it out from under them if given the chance. Apple is patent troll. They patent ideas they didn't have simply because the real inventor didn't think to patent them first or didn't bother because they realized that the idea shouldn't even be patented for an ecosystem that supports innovation. In what reality is that innovation? In this reality that is taking advantage of a broken system.
If Apples motto was "Think Patent" then I would at least understand them. "Think Different" does not apply here.
17. mrbtree (Posts: 59; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i dont know how samsung and motorola are being sued for the slide to unlock when sony has their own version yet their not being sued. apples going after companies they know are going to kick the apple out of their icraps.
18. mrbtree (Posts: 59; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
but sony is also a great company with the xperia s just saying
19. skymitch89 (Posts: 1166; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
I still don't see why Apple and Microsoft don't sue Google over the patents instead of the device manufacturers. Oh, wait, they're afraid that they Google will win against them. What about FRAND? Apple is pulling out that card in defense against Motorola. I don't think that it's right for Apple to claim FRAND in their defense, but Samsung, Motorola, HTC and whatever else device manufacturers are not allowed to use FRAND in their defense.
32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apparently you don't get what FRAND is.
56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You don't want to be enlightened. You're just here to argue.
46. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
And apparently you don't get what irony, common sense, sanity, a consistent stance, hygiene, or wagers are.
21. RCMizK3w1 (Posts: 15; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Who allows these patents, if I want I could probably patent breathing.
22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Fandroids you keep asking me for PROOF. Where is the proof that android infringes you scream.
Please fandroids save this to your favorties and refer to it next time you want proof.
29. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
We don't want proof from you, we want silence and you to leave. No one gives a sh*t what kind of "proof" you make up all on your own, with no basis in reality.
Plus we all know what YOU do when confronted with cold, hard facts, don't we WELCHER?
33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
The proof is staring you in the face. All you have to do is read it.
Mark Twain said "The person who doesn't read has no advantage over the person who can't read"
48. jut754 (Posts: 5; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
And Steve Jobs had a saying that he "borrowed" from Picasso:
"Good artist copy, great artists steal"
49. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Nah, that's not proof, I'm pretty sure it's a very unstable moron named 'taco50' staring me in the face.
Please do not quote Mark Twain, or anyone really, to support your insane blind devotion to apple. Let's respect the dead.
94. Aeires (unregistered)
Stop replying to him, it's what he wants. Just ignore his posts and he'll find someplace else that will give him the attention he craves.
25. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What I get from this is Apple never MAKES anything, the just make their versions of what already exists to look pretty. Its okay to use other companies actual TECHNOLOGIES without asking or license (Yes they are being counter sued by Motorola and Samsung for their 3G patents) but when those same companies start infringing on PRETTY or SMOOTH ...Apple throws a hussy fit. Yeah, that sounds right.
28. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
That's the POINT. Having the same feature isn't copying. It's how you implement it that's copying. You can't stop someone from having a web browser or a camera on a phone, but if I have unique features in my web browser I can patent those and keep them exclusive.
The 3G patents are FRAND and are not allowed to be kept exclusive. Samsung and Motorola had to agree to license those patents in order to get them granted. That's why they keep losing in court to Apple and Motorola is now being INVESTIGATED for being anti competitive.
The REASON the iPhone has been so successful is unique features like multitouch gestures, slide to unlock, bounce effects, etc.
You can make a phone without using those gestures and effects.
30. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Cool, so you admit that apple does not innovate but just copies everyone else? Glad we can finally agree on something.
35. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"The REASON the iPhone has been so successful is unique features like multitouch gestures, slide to unlock, bounce effects, etc."
iPhone is popular because of foolishing marketing and nothing more!
37. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
iPhone is arrest product and that's why it's successful.
You know that and I know that
42. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Yes, it is part of true, but nothing more.
51. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Noooooooo, it's successful because it plays on peoples insecurities of not being "cool" and having the "popular" technology even though there are FAAAAAAAARRRRR better and cheaper choices. I can't tell you how often someone tells me they're leaning towards an iphone over android simply because "duhuhuHUUUR, everyone else has it!".
That's why apple is so successful, they market to children, the immature, and the insecure.
OOOH, almost forgot:
69. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Not everything can be covered by FRAND, and that's why Motorola was granted an injunction against the iPhone and iPad. The point is, you can't come into a new industry and just bully everyone out an expect there to be no consequences. These companies need to quit playing defense and start swinging first! Go back an patent all those old features that EVERY cellphone/smartphone uses and take their slice of Apple's $70 Billion dollar pie!
But not to worry, iPhone fans are so invested in Steve Jobs that in the next few years the iphone's "magic" will start to fade and the iPhone fanboys with it. I'm sure their will always be an iPhone, but mark my words... The iPhone 5 and 6 will be Apple's best selling models of all time, followed by slowly declining marketshare. Without its leader, the cult will start to lose faith.
70. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
These companies aren't emotional Internet trolls so none of what you say will happen.
For someone who supposedly uses Apple products you sure seem to be rooting for their downfall.
75. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Has nothing to do with emotion, at least not for me. I used their computers because they are the best. I don't use their phone because Android is the best. It's that simple. I based my opinion on history. Apple failed miserably after SJ was fired, because he WAS the company. You iphoners are way too emotionally invested in the iPhone, that's why you can't see any of it's clause or shortcomings.
You guys had no MMS for years because Steve didn't want you to have it, and you guys said..."Well, I'll just use email". He told you he will put you in jail if you alter HIS phone by jailbreaking it, and you guys responded..."He just wants to protect us". He knew flash on the iPhone would mean people making and distributing free games, so he said flash is evil and HTML5 will be here shortly. You guys then started rooting against anything Adobe! So I can't help but to wonder if your projecting when you say I'm being emotional. I just call em' like I see em'.
80. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Trolling as usual I see
You were completely emotional in the first post
84. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I know I'm getting to you when you pull out the "T" word. Ha ha ha!
87. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
No you don't get to me I just think its comical that you insist you own Apple products.
We know I've gotten to you Mr. Internet pirate.