1 million Nokia X pre-orders received in China? Maybe not
0. phoneArena 15 Mar 2014, 01:08 posted on
Although Nokia China said that 1 million Nokia X handsets have been already pre-ordered, these seem to be just pre-registrations which do not guarantee a purchase...
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1. mr.techdude (Posts: 555; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Lmaoooo I knew it was a lie, pfffttt Nokia
3. Finalflash (Posts: 1896; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Right, but when the iPhone was registered the same way it was a big deal and guaranteed to be by people who were going to line up even with a pre-order in hand.
7. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
iPhone is iPhone, and a 97$ crap cheap Nokia is a Nokia.
30. corporateJP (Posts: 1820; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Go to China right now and come back, let me know how many iPhones you find.
"Crap cheap" Nokia will outsell the iPhone in China based upon Apple's gouge pricing alone.
Don't be fooled, the iPhone is only hot in the United States and UAE (because shieks like 24kt gold-plated iPhones), that's it.
34. Ashoaib (Posts: 2423; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Even in UAE now people start having awareness and they are choosing other brands, though its slow but soon apple will loose its ground bcoz ppl start realizing that iphone is over hyped...
38. SleepingOz (unregistered)
I'm in China right now and guess what, your argument is freaking invalid! Iphones are everywhere! And again, Nokia is nowhere near outselling Apple here. The chinese would rather buy the outdated 4S than any new high end lumia.
42. sgodsell (Posts: 1433; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Yes go to China right now. You will see that Android in China has around 90% of the market currently. Not to mention China has like 6 native OEMs all producing Android phones. Also with Firefox starting to make $25 smart phones its hard for anyone to compete over their. Nokia used to be big over their with their feature phones, but since smart phones sales surpassed feature phones last year. That's why nokia released Android phones over in China and India because Android has such a high market penetration. WP has around 1% and is still dropping.
43. sgodsell (Posts: 1433; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Its not a real Android that everyone is use too anyway.
25. akki20892 (Posts: 3651; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
We have to wait for real sell. Then we can talk.
2. FriendsOfSamsung (unregistered)
Must be spammed by typical jobless Nokia fans, created millions of accounts of the sake of spam, just like on every site
29. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
lol yeah owners of ze glorious lumia 520.
31. corporateJP (Posts: 1820; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
If your a real good friend of Samsung, do me a favor and let them know I'm disappointed in the S5 and I want to know why they truly did copy Apple this time by releasing a low-quality phone and putting a flagship sticker and price on it.
Troll yourself, Herbert...
9. ScottSchneider (Posts: 323; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
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8. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
hahahaha all they can have is cheap and cheaper market share lol ..." Yes Nokia Is Achieve Money For 4% Share With Ze Glorious Lumia 520 In The Glorious Nation Of Fartmestan ..."
11. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Lol. Sadly typical of Microsoft and Nokia to be this disingenuous about results.
It's like how they always win those "People's Choice" awards for best smartphone because they plug the hell out of the contests on Twitter to skew the outcomes of the votes.
12. Liveitup (Posts: 1565; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
Why don't you do your research before making such accusations, had you done that you would know that MS in not too happy about Nokia X in the first place and that Nokia and MS are still separate companies until the deal official closes as stipulated by Anti trust laws. MS has nothing to do with this, no need to spread lies.
Secondly Windows Phone and Nokia won numerous "People choice" awards from different sites and contests, get over it, they make products that millions of consumers enjoy.
13. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I HAVE done my research. Microsoft should be fine with the X phone, because it's not recognizably an Android phone at all and in fact is chock full of Microsoft and Nokia software. So yeah, Microsoft is heavily involved in this.
And in the March Smartphone Madness contest that Laptop runs annually, at least, the results of the vote skewing are easily visible. The vote counts are usually in the hundreds for the other smartphone faceoffs, but every time a Nokia/Microsoft device is one of the contestants, suddenly the votes are in the thousands for it. And this just so happens to coincide with Microsoft and Nokia plugging the contest on Twitter when their devices are up for voting.
And all of this for devices on an OS which makes up single percentage points in smartphone market share. Yeah, just try to tell me that the Twitter plugging has nothing to do with it.
I'm not saying that the phones aren't good, btw. I'm just saying that it's disingenuous to run around and tell people to vote, or to use a contest for a free phone to get people to do preorders or speak up, then tout the results as if they're fair and objective.
For instance, twice Microsoft pulled a stunt on Twitter called "Droidrage" where they asked users to tweet horror stories using Android (originally centered on malware) with a chance to win a free Windows Phone at stake. The first time they did this, they got great results.
So they did it again.
Hilariously, it backfired on them the second time, and instead of "#droidrage," "#windowsrage" ended up trending on Twitter instead as users called them out on their hypocrisy and opted to share their Windows horror stories.
20. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 1471; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
Most of the #wrage are probably from the users who have never owned a WP. But Microsoft sure knows how to steam up the haters, who of course, were already haters.
21. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Actually, a lot of the Windows rage posts were about their experiences with Windows overall, not just the phones. So yeah, most of them likely owned Windows machines and had issues.
And frankly, 90 percent of my personal problem with Microsoft will disappear when they dissipate this culture they have of constant attack ads, spreading of FUD, and manipulating People's Choice type contests then using the results in their ads.
22. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 1471; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
With Windows, yes. But still, not a good way to market WP.
I don't have as much problems with Windows. Some don't some do.
33. Liveitup (Posts: 1565; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
What you call attack ads, I call educating the consumer, if Google feels MS is lying then feel free to let the world not what MS is saying is not true. If Google also feels MS is doing something wrong then they should call out MS. I don't support any company being sneaky with consumers, it is not right, its underhanded, I commend MS or any other company that calls out another company that is being sneaky, consumers have a right to know.
I enjoy Windows overall, before Windows 7 is was not even a Windows fan, Metro products are great in my opinion and not every product will be for everyone but sometime it seems like most people only hate the products because they are made by Microsoft, such ignorance.
35. PBXtech (Posts: 983; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
The problem with the Scroogled ads are MS does much of the same thing, both companies use your data for their own services. It's hypocritical of MS to say only Google does it.
37. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And if you seriously think that all companies should issue attack ads on each other, then you've just lost the plot.
32. Liveitup (Posts: 1565; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
No you have not done your research. I have not seen any credible evidence that states because Nokia X runs Microsoft and Nokia software that means that Microsoft is actually involved, have you?, if not your opinion is simply based on speculation. Between Joe Belfiore the corporate vice president and manager for Windows Phone Program Management at Microsoft saying that they are not so excited about Nokia recent decision.
Also Frank Bradshaw who is Microsoft’s Corporate Vice President of Communications saying the following:
One is less inclined to believe that Microsoft is fine with Nokia X as you stated.
You saying that March madness is not legitimate is not based on hard facts, its pure speculation, one can argue the votes was illegitimate for Android or iOS but again that would be speculation, show me the facts.
WP may make up a single percentage marketshare worldwide but its growing, its hitting double digits in many countries including the EU5, and has overtaken Iphone in over 25 couintries, Android did not start at the top. Android had many things going for it when it was growing, it had more OEM's making devices, it had more carrier support, it had more carrier employees pushing it, it was the main alternative to iOS, it is a free OS, though Google places certain conditions on OEM's while Microsoft charged a fee for WP. Its not until 8.1 that WP will be playing on a level playing field because it will have much of what Android has enjoyed.
Sales are not an indication of a quality of a product every time, Android flooded the market with quantity not necessarily quality, Nokia Lumia 920 won the smartphone of the year last year over at Engadget, Lumia 1020 won Stuff TV smartphone of the year, Lumia 1520 won smartphone of the year over at GSM Arena etc. Look at consumer reviews WP is way up there even surpassing Android and iOS and many consumer feed backs or satisfaction ratings.
You don't gain fans if you have a crappy OS, WP keeps on gaining.
You act like its hard to believe that WP
36. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh, man, you really are a stupid son of a bitch as far as fanboys go.
You're like a Windows Phone version of Taco50.
Firstly, of course in a very public setting like MWC Microsoft isn't going to say they're excited about Nokia making an Android phone, because they want to push pure Windows Phone.
Secondly, in the second statement you linked, the exec still said he was happy that Nokia was using the Nokia X to push Microsoft services, EXACTLY AS I SAID.
Here was the final vote for Smartphone Madness 2013. 27,000 votes for the Lumia versus 21,000 votes for the Z10.
Final vote for the 920 here: almost 9000 for the 920 versus just 2000 for the HTC One.
Final vote here: 1500 votes for the Z10, 812 for the Nexus 4.
Final vote here: over 9000 votes for the Lumia 920, 586 for the Galaxy S4.
Final vote here: 415 votes for the Nexus 4, 193 for the LG G Pro.
And though I haven't found a way so far to go back that far on Twitter for proof, I remember that every damn time a Windows phone came up in the voting, Ben the PC Guy and other MS related accounts retweeted and linked to the contest. Ben alone had over 20,000 followers at that point last year.
I know that WP is growing, and it's pretty much thanks to Nokia, namely Nokia's low cost Windows Phones. That's great, it's kind of how Android grew to begin with, but Windows Phone does not offer any compelling functionality over Android or iOS when comparing devices at similar price points. Therefore, unless Microsoft comes out with some killer apps or something, I can't see Windows Phone's growth being sustained.
I agree that sales do not indicate quality. Of course, if you actually READ what I'd wrote you'd have seen this. In fact, I agree that Nokia makes pretty good phones. Furthermore, the Moto X, a relatively low selling Android phone, was the best smartphone of 2013, bar none, and certainly is considered the most innovative by many publications.
All I'm saying is that it's disingenuous to warp contests shaped by popular votes by flooding the polls, then to tout those results as an indicator of the quality of your product, which Microsoft and Nokia have done more than once. I guaran frickin' tee that if Samsung cared to plug Smartphone Madness this year, they would BURY any and all competing Windows Phones.
39. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Man, Taco50 wasn't as annoying and biased as these new WP fanboys.
40. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Or may be not..
41. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Taco could really be out there sometimes. I remember one time where he outright made fun of Android users over his perception that they're usually low income.
15. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 1471; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
I knew this was all bulls**t, all the way! Excuse the language. But bad news for the WP haters.
23. Commentator (Posts: 2494; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
But man, if there HAVEN'T been a million pre-orders of the Nokia X, there sure will be after this article's amazing Nokia X slideshow!
24. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1137; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I judge how well a smart phone does in 6 months. if a product does not sell well enough in 6 months to justify it's continued production it will be discontinued. The Nokia 520 survived the 6 month test now lets see if the Nokia "X" , "X+" or the Nokia "XL" sell well enough to be around after Sept 30 2014. I think the Nokia "XL" has the right stuff to survive the 6 month test.
27. freebee269 (Posts: 528; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
phone arena came be pretty lame sometimes. a week ago they did an article about the 300,000 pre-registrations for the galaxy s5. made no mention in the article that those were pre-registrations also and doesnt equate to those 300,000 people actually buying the device. (bias much) in this article they say the 1 million are also pre-registrations and not pre-orders so that doesnt equate to sales. how is this any different than your galaxy s5 article? so biased it's sickening.
28. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Probably because, sales trend wise, Samsungs Galaxy S series are always monster sellers. Say what you will about Samsung, but they know how to sell phones. The Galaxy S and Galaxy Note series are BEASTS. So you can likely infer that the S5 will also sell well. Same with the iPhone. As much as I despise all things CR@ppl3, the iPhone & iPad are monster sellers. The Nokia X however, and WP on a whole actually, are either unproven(as is the case with the X)or just simply not monster sellers(as is the case with WP on a whole).