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More information on Touch Diamond and Raphael for both Sprint and Verizon

More information on Touch Diamond and Raphael for both Sprint and Verizon

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Published on: 05 August, 2008 by Nanko Rusev

More information on Touch Diamond and Raphael for both Sprint and Verizon This article contains unofficial information.

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Victor and Diamond
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Herman and Raphael
Yesterday we posted an article saying that the Sprint variant of the Touch Diamond may launch this month, but now we have slightly different information. Thanks to a few comments from our readers and some internal documents, we’ve pretty much got the information everybody wanted.

First, HTC Touch Diamond will be called HTC Victor for Sprint and HTC Diamond for Verizon. Sprint’s variant runs on Qualcomm 7501A chipset with 528MHz processor, 256MB ROM, 256MB RAM and 4GB internal memory. Verizon’s runs on Qualcomm 7500 chipset with 400MHz processor, has half the RAM (128MB) and has microSD cards slot instead of 4GB NAND flash. Sprint’s Victor will have an accelerometer (Motion G Sensor), Rev.A straight out of the box, and aluminum frame. Verizon’s Diamond lacks the sensor, is Rev.A upgradable and has stainless steel frame. Other features seem to be similar to the GSM model and identical for both, including 2.8” VGA display, 3.2MP autofocus camera, TouchFLO 3D, Opera browser and YouTube client.
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The CDMA equivalent of the HTC Touch Pro will be called HTC Herman for Sprint and HTC Raphael for Verizon. They are QWERTY variants of respectively the Victor and the Diamond and have similar specifications, but twice the ROM memory (512MB for both). Herman trades Victor’s 4GB for memory card slot and Raphael’s frame is also made out of aluminum instead of steel.

A few of our readers report that the Victor will be available with Sprint on September 02, 2008, and the Herman will come one month later. There is no exact information when Verizon Wireless will release the Diamond and the Raphael, but it is expected that Sprint will have 30 days exclusivity.

Please keep in mind we cannot guarantee this information is correct, as it is not official. It is possible that the names or the specifications of the models change with their announcement.

source: LessthanZach and Ken, and anonymous PhoneArena readers



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ha sprint version is way better and verizon versions doesnt even have a motion sensor lol lol lol what losers
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why no accelerometer for the version going to vzw?
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No accelerometer for vzw! That's horse C#$P. I've been waiting for this phone for a while, and and now they're taking away one of the best features. If I wasn't being held prisoner by vzw I probably would have left awhile ago.
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In the processor comparison fields, does anyone know what the ISM represents? I notice the Verizon phones have more, but not sure what type of memory this is.
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if u saw a topic about sprint selling towels to have more money on corporation development a few days ago, then u know what happen, spring paid more to HTC to make the diamond better, and verizon vers is not a surprise cus they always do that, all their phones are missing something from the original vers
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what u comparin about verizon has way better phones than sprint i mean way better just let us sprin users enyoy this one :)
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This one?....Please elaborate one some of these "way better" phones becasue I'm having trouble finding may. Let's see the Touch (6900) is about the same but the Sprint version has a much better housing. The Insticnt puts the Gylde, Dare and Voyager to shame and the Decoy is just plain ugly (look at an m520 for a good looking slider). The new Chocolate looks dead up like the Muzic and Fusic with the same cheap housing feel like the Muzic. Both have the exact same line up as far a BB so no advantage there either. As far as WM both have 6900/6800....Sprints have Rev A and GPS....I have not seen VZ release the updates for theirs yet. Both have the Centro and Q9 and Spritn release both back in October and I don't see the Treo 800 yet for VZ. This is the most aticipated for this year not named iPhone and they droped the big red ball! I forget I will give you the enV and 9400 becasue the only thing Sprint has that is even close is the Rumor and it is not comparison.
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if sprint has such great phones, then why doesnt everyone switch over to their cheaper plans. hello ! its cause sprint does NOT have good phones !!!!! thats why they are not the number on carrier in the nation like verizon. lets go down a list of all the cool phone verizon has.

the dare - way better then the instinct with its accelerometer, 3.2 megapixel camera, and gorgeous interserface.
the voyager - sprint simply does not have a teen friendly technologically advanced messaging phone.
the glyde - i think this phone is gay but hey, its an option.
the env - another great messaging phone.
the venus - no there is a great looking slider
the flip shot - innovative design and a 3.2 mp shooter...thats right verizon has (2) 3.2 mp camera phone...sprint has 0!
the chocolate 3 - gorgeous flip phone with a humongous outside display with advanced capabilities....the muziq has nothing !
the alias - although i hate it...spirnt does not have both a flip phone and a messaging phone in one.
as well as a host of good sliders such as the decoy and the iconic chocolate.

as well as a host of good smartphones. like world edition blackberry which sprint does not have.

face it. sprint sucks
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Actually Sprint's Diamond is with its original specs... just verizon crippled the good phone again. So next time just get your facts straight. I don't wanna argue, i'm just writing the facts ;)

Re$pec7
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Im pretty sure that VERIZON did not cripple the Diamond, rather, Sprint paid more for their version to have more expensive and advanced components built in. Yeah, last time I remember Verizon does not build the phone, therefore, cannot cripple it.
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NO One cares about ugly phones... and yes sprint does have the blackberry world edition.... the only reason verizon has more customers is because people are accustomed to verizon at home.. Obviously now they suck at that too .. your probably on cable modem rite.... any how stop whining go do something healthy...bake a cake that looks like your treasured diamond.. and let it burn in the oven... cuz sprint's version is better!!!
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I would like to second this. What is ISM and why does the Verizon version have more?
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The Dare isn't better than the Instinct
Mogul is better than the Voyager, Glyde, Env
Rumor is better than the Alias
Why did you even put the Chocolate 3 up here lol

you verizon fan boys kill me. The only reason why Verizon as a company is better than sprint is because customer service and a few more roaming agreements. Sprint has better phones point blank period
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Yeah that's pretty retarded :-(
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Call performance wise: yes the Dare is better, just not in interface - look it up.
Mogul is a PDA, therefore does not compete with Voyager, Glyde(which sucks), or EnV2
Rumor is about a year newer than the Alias
The Chocolate 3 is actually a rather good phone. Cool features like Dashboard, large screen, and an FM transmitter all bundled with A2DP, 2MP Cam, VCast Video, and multitasking music all made by the highest ranked phone manufacturer by consumer reports: LG.

It's NOT that I agree with his comparison, it's just that I don't find yours to be fair or accurate, either.
And YES VZW is a better company because of our Cust Service and our network (not just our roaming agreements, who told you that?). Since when is cust service not a big deal? Since when is not having the best network that actually RUNS your toys not a big deal??? I just don't get the consumer....
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Just do yourself a favor, wait for an unlocked CDMA version so you can have the g-sensor too. Anyone see the "teeter" game for the diamond? Look it up on youtube, that alone is worth the wait.
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VERIZON ruined a great phone. the diamond is the best phone to hit the market this year and they just downgraded it to a piece of crap iphone on wm ... too bad you verizon customer wont be able to enjoy the diamond cause your carrier is to cheap to pay for the ORIGINAL spec and features to this phone.
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That's not true. The carrier absolutely has final say on what phones go on their network. So when HTC submits their device, the carrier takes a look at it and then decides on which features they want and which they don't. Either the manufacturer makes the changes, or they lose sales because the phone won't be offered by that carrier. So the blame rests firmly with VZW if they release a stripped down version of these devices.

Seeing as how Sprint took the device pretty much in it's original form, I doubt they paid extra as speculated by many here.
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verizon cripples every phone they get I have worked for them and seen first hand.
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I think the phone itselft doesnt need an accelorometer. What for? so the screen switches orientation, when it can do the same thing by sliding the keyboard out.
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cellphones are build on order for the carriers DUh
vzw is cheap, sprint is trying to avoid defections
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I, personally, am waiting for either the Raphael or the Thunder. The Thunder will have an accelerometer and will be all touch, and the Raphael will switch orientation with the simple slide of the keyboard. I do agree that the Diamond will be too similar to the current Touch (which I own and can't stand). I think I am just going to opt for the thunder seeing as I have better stability and enjoy the messaging and speed of the blackberry os much much more.
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You're an idoit. All of vzw phones are lock or missing the best thing about the phone. All sprint phones are unlocked and aren't missing anything as far as what you can do with it. The rev a network kills vzw by far and the new 4g wimax will kill them more. Hands down you can do way more with sprint phones
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I used to work for sprint and cant remember how many times i sold a black berry world edition for them. yeah verizon has better quality phones in the long run but every provider is basicaly in the same boat when it comes to BlackBerrys. Only difference might be the black berry internet price plan. but i wont lie if the specs are true, it means sprint is starting to make somewhat of a comeback
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Verizon will most likely unlock their network next year so buy the sprint version full retail then use on vzw's network. I can only assume that installing a microSD reader takes up more space than static 4gb internal memory so some other stuff had to go.

BTW - does anyone know if the raphael will have the motion sensor?
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get your info straight.....

mogul= pda (try comparing it to the 6800 ...same phone on vzw)....voyager, glyde, env2 are not smartphones.
rumor....just ugly and copy copy of the env...
chocolate3....because it's a very good flipphone with more features (media wise) than anything sprint has in the same category or anyone else in the us for that matter.

i have sprint and verizon phones. verizon has better selection of phones. sprint has a couple of phones i would rate good devices but overall...not even close. sprint does have less expensive plans though..BIG PLUS

being a sprint customer also ...i feel as if sprint digging their own grave...hope not. but the writing is on the wall.
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I agree mostly about the Verizon Wireless stuff; however, Verizon FiOS is the best in the country for home phone, internet, and TV. Imagine, unlimited landline, 10 Mbps down/2 Mbps up, and 200+ TV channels for $100.00/mo...and for $12.00 more, you can get 20 Mbps download speads (un-fricken-believable).
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FiOS will rock when it gets here (norcal). Can't wait, have all of my services bundled into one bill and all superior to the rest.
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ummm Sprint does have the blackberry world edition knob bobber, and guess what theirs is unlocked!!!!! Unlike Verizon who makes you use their SIM card when traveling globaly or it won't work. Sprint's 8830 can use any SIM card when international allowing much more freedom and cheaper international rates, do your homework please before posting. Sprint as 4 more phones coming out this year from Samsung alone, including a dual slider, and an evdo slider similar to the rumor. Voyager, Glyde, and ENV are garbage phones. Don't post shit if you don't know what you are talking about.
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actually, verizon, being the carrier, has quite a lot of say on what features get into the phone. besides, if the phone has the features in the first place (i.e. the unlocked version released in Asia and Europe), then the carrier doesn't have to pay more for the features. that would make no sense.
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the phone doesn't need an accelerometer? you obviously DO NOT know what accelerometer does. Since Nintendo Wii took the world by storm with that, every single gadget wishes they had accelerometer. Even new digital cameras have it. It totally changes the way you see pictures and videos, play games, and it WILL provide a big breakthrough for software developers. You need to search for 'teeters' on youtube. Lots of third party developers are already designing big things based on this feature alone.
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Integrated Services Module (ISM) locks memory and makes it unavailable to other processes or the OS.
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the dare has lesser issues than the Instinct. Sprint service sucks. Dare get better reception.
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You also post shit that you do not know about. The voyager and the EnV series are great phones. Look up some reviews.
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stop smokin crack, the dare is way better then you instinct. sorry man
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I am held hostage to vzw too. They are the worst wireless network I have had so far. This is just one more nail in the coffin for them
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ummm actual sprint does the world edition blackberry...they have had it for a while...
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Verizon did cripple the Diamond, they didn't want it to use the full bandwidth of verizon. This is comming from my source in corp verizon. I'm not trying to bash, but there is no reason to pay more for a phone with the original specs.
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If the verizon version really does **** ***** I'm gonna get the Sprint version and demand that verizon adds it too their database and then I will flash the ROM with a custom rom ( GPS unlocked, no VZW branding etc...) if they don't add me to the database.... Hello sprint. Who is with me????
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sprint DOES have a world edition blackberry, the 8830, the same one vzw has. Nice try vzw fan girl. Sprint has every thing vzw with more reliable phones. They may not do as much, but they dont break as often.
LG sucks btw
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vzw rox there in ur face
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sprint uses verizons towers, when you are roaming that is using verizon towers and roaming is included so no extra charges so you get verizon towers and sprint towers!
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Dude, your an idiot if you think verizon has better phones than Sprint LOL! I walk into a Verizon store and fall asleep Its so boring in there! I left Verizon just to join sprint and enjoy how we consistently get better deals than Verizon customers HA!
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Actually they do cripple phones, for instance the 6800 that i have has a GPS chip that verizon purposely left out the drivers for. Thank god i was able to get it working with a custom rom. I'm sure the Motion sensor is something similar but the ram and proc speed i'm not sure about. I guess we'll see what the xda community does with the phone and a custom version of WM.
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It could be that VZ chose to lower the RAM to 128 so they could have a micro-SD slot. Personally I'm glad the Diamond for VZ will have this approach so I can buy a GPS program on Micro-SD. But....no Rev. A out of the box??? And I'll be the GPS will be limited to just VZ Navigator.
A VZ salesman told me today he has a VZ 6800 and just got a software update that will run VZNav on it, but HTC has not released this software upgrade on its website yet. Sprint's Mogul got this software Aug 6th.
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I understand ppl are going to get uptight because they expected the verizon version to be better than sprints but sprint cares abt what ppl want in a phone though their sevice is a little under par to verizon but sprint they actually listen to what ppl want in their phones unlike verizon they release phonse with little support for them cause they disregard the cries for what ppl need in their phone they currently have or for upcoming phones, so when phones ppl were looking forward to actually come out for verizon its stiffled or features killed because they think thats waht ppl want?yeah right so sad verizon does this to us
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Any company would care when they lost millions of customers suddenly! Shows what kind of crappy company they are!
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Mergers are always rough. I worked for Verizon when Airtouch, Bell Atlantic, PrimeCo, etc. merged and they bled customers just like Sprint. Don't fall for the marketing. The major carriers all have comparable service because of roaming agreements. Sprint uses Verizon towers and vice versa. It is really how close you are to a tower in general.

BTW --- Verizon does absolutely cripple their phones. They have done it for years with bluetooth being disable except for using bluetooth headsets. Personally, I do not use customer service that often, so paying more Verizon doen't really add value for me. I do use my phone and tons of data on a daily basis, and Sprint was faster to launch EVDO nationwide, so I would rather pay less and get a better deal.

Can we also get back to discussing the phones and not which carrier is better. People take it way too personally. Ther are good and bad things about all of the cellular carriers.
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What are you talking about #2? actual data speeds? have you ever used a phone on sprint's network? im using the original touch on sprint's rev.a network and it's fast as can be.

p.s. the word herb went out with 1996
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I wonder what Verizon is thinking some times.
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You idiots do realize that this is rumored and changes can and probably will be made before the release?
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Actually, these reports are based off of FCC reports from the tests, so you calling everyone idiots because they are believing information passed on is kinda like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it. Plus, if you look at the comparison guide pics, you can see that they appear to be released by Sprint. Knowing how close together the phones are thought to be released, it's not surprising to see the specs available for both models. And if anyone needs more proof that Verizon typically neuters their PDAs, compare Sprint's Touch to Verizon's.
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Wow...think before you speak and read the entire article. Stuff from the FCC is no rumor more like fact. These are not things that can be changed in a firmware update and I can tell you they are not going to send all these back to HTC to have the better processer, RAM and motion sensor added. Thanks for the laught though!
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YOU SPELLED LAUGH WRONG HEHEHEHEHEEEE
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this is so funny reading ur guys comments, its early in the morning and im getting a kick of you people arguing which is the best company, i work for sprint so u know what im going to say, but everyone has their own opinion. Sprint does have the best PDA devices hands down, with the most features. Funny how the Touch became such a successor to lead to the touch diamond, where did it first launch, SPRINT. But like i said im just basing my opinion.
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heheheehe THANK YOU i totally agree!!!
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As someone who is considering the Touch Pro for Verizon when it launches, can someone explain to me the key difference between the Sprint and Verizon versions? Basically, can someone explain to me what this Motion G Sensor is and if it is a big deal to have it or not?

Thanks.
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It's a sensor that detects motion. What is does in phones is it allows the phone to determine how you are holding it. If you hold it in landscape, the phone will automatically adjust itself to display in landscape. Accelerometers I think are used in the Nintendo Wii remote controls. I've heard of some really cool games that you can play on phones with accelerometers. It's a REALLY cool feature, and if vzw keeps it off they're STUPID!!!
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the big difference is going to be extra 128mb of ram on the sprint version. the motion g sensor just can tell how you are holding the phone if its on it side or what not and changes the screen to fit that. its not needed but its something that you can show off to every one.
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@ poster #13 The motion G sensor is very similar to the controllers for the Wii video game system. They will allow the phone to respond you you moving it. The usefulness all depends on what kinds of applications people make for it. Although, I am not sure what type of Motion G feedback they have built directly into the new TouchFLO 3D operatering system.
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yeah, how big of a deal is the 128mb ram? would the apps ran on the phone (email, web browsing, IM, etc.) be significantly slower on it?
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The motion G sensor is the other name of the well known Accelerometer, cuz it measures the acceleration of turning.
*my 9 cents*
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its also used so that if a call comes thru you can flip the phone up side down and the phone will stop ringing
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#21 - from a technical standpoint yes they would be slower, but I bet that most of the extra ram that is in the sprint device is used to power the accellerometer. I have th xv6900 for verizon and 35% is always used up no matter what to power the TouchFLO interface. The diamond's beautiful interface must come at a price though. I bet between the interface and the Motion G sensor, there is probably 90-100 MB oF Ram already.

Don't get me wrong I am PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED!!!! that VZW isn't release the phone with the main feature that makes it trump the iPhone. But the VZW executives are not stupid there must be a reason. But out of protest I will not buy it. Besides, my two year contract ends in 2010, by then HTC will have the Touch Titanium or something that makes the Diamond look like a piece of junk anyways. I will just look funny like I did when I had my i730 for 2 years when the mogul/6800 came out for VZW.

Calm down PEOPLE!!!
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all 4 phones list "Wirelss LAN 802.11 b/g" does this mean that all phones will have built in wireless? I would expect VZW to take this out instead of the accelerometer.
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why would verizon take out the ability to use wifi? to me that should be pretty much standard on any pda/smartphone
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You obviously don't know that Verizon *always* nerfs wi-fi on their PDAs/Smartphones
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What phone does Verizon have that is the exact same phone as Sprint with No wifi? please check your facts
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Uhhh... how about the Touch? How about YOU check your facts.
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The touch for Sprint does NOT have WIFI. VZW has not taken wifi of of any of their HTC phones that I have been around for such as the 6800 5800 6900(never had it) or 6700.
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would you guys shut up
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One comment: my i760 has wfi, and it works very well, thank you.
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I find it funny that Sprint somehow knows what versions of the phones verizon is going to have.. Anyone else think that smells fishy?
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yes it does smell fishy.....so sprint can turn around and make SURE that they have a better working phone than verizon! so they basically copy vzw..........it sounds VERY TRUE..................plus im not saying sprint is better cause they're not
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How does Sprint copy Verizon? They always get phone's first and sometimes exclusively for a time. Name one phone that Verizon had first then Sprint "copied". You can't!!!
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the sprint "muziq" was released AFTER the LG chocolate!!! and they did basically COPY them...........and wat do u mean they get phones first???? :/
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oh and the instinct is pretty much like the voyager too.....except for the QWERTY keyboard
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It's more like the Dare, which has been out almost 2 months now and feature wise beats the shit out of the instinct....
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Oh yeah features like Windows Live Search which is intigrated with Telenav and Threaded Text totally kill the Instinct....wait a min the Dare doesn't have either of those. You can have your 1.2 better mega pix cam and accelomerter (which only works while useing sertain apps) and I'll take the more practical every days use featurs.
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How did the Muziq copy the Chocolate? One is a slider and the other is a flip. Now the new Chocolate which released this year does look just like the Muziq which was released over two years ago so that is an example of Sprint getting a phone two years before and yes Muziq was the first phone in the US with an FM transmitter so VZW did basiclly COPY Sprint on that phone.
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Ok I meant the type Fusic not Muziq in post 211 (Damn Sprint and their fake word names for phones). The Fusic released in 06 and the Muziq is the new model which released this year. The Fusic was the first phone in the US with the FM trasmitter but the Muziq also has that feature. The Muziq may have released after the new chocolate but Fusic realeased a full two years and all three look the same.
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These phones need to come to AT&T...
Verizon kills most phones anyways by putting their stupid operating system on all of them.
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Actually, not *entirely* true. I have a Samsung sch-i760, my wife a treo 700w, both on VZW, both running winmo, rather than Verizon's proprietary interface ui (which does, I agree, suck balls, it's why I never even considered the voyager/EnV2), and we are more than happy with them. I am also (as the above poster is) suspicious that Sprint has full specs on what the vzw versions are going to be. I call shenanigans on this alleged "update", though if true, I will be buying my touch pro (which I have been drooling over since I first saw it) in unlocked flavor, thank you very much.
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vzw only puts its OS on non pda phones, thank you for your fact-less comment though.
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Umm... the HTC Touch Pro is coming to AT&T. It's going to be called the Fuze. The FCC has already passed the GSM version of the phone for the U.S. on AT&T's slightly different, Americanized 3G network. You should check Engadget and Gizmodo sometimes. They can be your best friends in this regard.

Anywho, to every bickering over the carriers... I work for AT&T as an Authroized Technician. I service a lot of phones first hand on a daily basis, and I know what they're flaws and bugs are. Not to mention I do my research before I slander any carrier or device. First off, I have always been a Sprint customer through the good,the bad, and the ugly mainly because Sprint has the best phones (hands down). That is why I stuck with Sprint because even though they were the very last carrier to get unlimited available nationwide, they are the only carrier they has "true unlimited". No carrier to this day can beat the "Simply Everything Plan" for only $99.99. This is coming from someone who has AT&T service for free. That alone should tell you something...

With that said, I have a friend that has been defending VZW since I met him. He would always bash me for having Sprint. Back when Verizon didn't gimp phones, he and I had the infamous Palm Treo 700wx. It was considered to be the best Windows Mobile Device in early 2007. We used to always debate on the issue of who was the better carrier. We even compared coverage maps. BTW, Sprint has the most coverage in southern states. I live in Texas. So to speed ahead and make a long story short, It wasn't too long before I got the Treo that after 6 months I decided to buy a Sprint Mogul, which is the equivalent to Verizon's XV6800. Now although I went through plenty of updates for that phone, Sprint always worked with HTC to improve the device to the best of their ability. They had overall about several updates which were a few bug fixes, added Sprint supported features, and some radio updates. Verizon only released one official update which was the WM 6.1 software. Therefore, all kitchen ROMS that were cooked up by PPCGeeks and XDADevelopers were from previous and recent Sprint HTC Mogul updates. My friend got his XV6800 over 6 months ago and uses one of these kitchen ROMS. This page ended up being the straw broke the camels back when he found this list on this site because of his anticpation for this device. We always had the same taste, but not the same know how. When he found this to be true. He automatically conceded to our days of debating who was overall better.

I know my post was a little overdrawn, but I feel this story needed to be shared. I like Verizon just as well as Sprint, but overall you must admit that Sprint has the better package for customers in the long run. Even over AT&T, and I work for them. LOL
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P.S. He says he is going to join Sprint now. LOL... no j/k
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