Does anyone know if the Omnia is going to be sporting EVDO rev.A? It seems silly they'd release this beast with rev.0, but the article doesn't say one way or another for this device.
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elgee02 @ 24 October, 2008 12:38:19 PM
I'm pretty sure it's gonna be Rev A... seems all new VZW EVDO phones coming out are Rev A... Dare, Krave, Storm, etc.
Verizon as always too little to late, after 10 years of waiting have switched and bought 2 IPhones ..they can keep junk should be first always not last..
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anonymous @ 24 October, 2008 01:03:01 PM
I agree with you that verizon did took a long time to get better phones. But is also truth that they've herd the people's voice and now are starting to get the best phones out there. We might not have the iphone yet, but we will have the storm coming soon and trust me i would regret buying two expensive iphones when you could of bought the one and only storm with more capabilities and probably for less.
I'm sick and tired of everyone bringing up the Iphone as if it is the best phone in the market...So many phones are so much better than the iphone (feature wise) it's sickening....You I phone lovers make me sick !!!!
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How quickly the fanboys forget that apple offered verizon the iphone first and they laughed them out of the building due to the revenue sharing plans and sent them along to at&t which while they saw a raise in data revenue, lost out money on the marketing and sales of the handset compared to every other phone out there.
this was talking about smartphones...you wont get a smartphone on a plan for under $80 because of data. so stop being cheap and just go with who will give you the best voice and data coverge anywhere....its nice not having to wonder
Does anyone know if the Omnia is sporting a 3.5mm headphone jack, I can't find the info on phonescoop, here or engadgetmobile.
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anonymous @ 24 October, 2008 01:16:24 PM
Not, it does not. Phonearena is the best when it comes to specs. The way I check if a device does or does not have something is going into their advanced specs view, and clicking on show missing features.
Aw man that is weak sauce, because I still have and use my iphone1st gen, but I work at vzw and wouldnt mind having the discount again. I may still look into it, but I lost a lot of my excitement for it just now lol.
Good job gimping on the WiFi on the Omnia, Verizon.
Worthless bastards.
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sinfulta @ 24 October, 2008 01:46:49 PM
Why don't you buy the $599+ 8gb UK Omnia then? Or the $699+ 16gb version. I'm sure Verizon had to cut some corners because americans are cheap about what they pay. So your guy's verizon will sell you a way cheaper version of our Omnia, and it's missing one thing? I wouldn't be surprised if that phone is not $249.99, knowing how cheap the US is. Most people in the UK would love to have a $249 Omnia and just use the 3G and forget about wifi. Trust me.
Americans are cheap??? There is something called competition and supply/demand which drives down prices; we just have more competition and demand than the UK does. This is a good thing, for us. Doesn't mean that all Americans are cheap. Stereotyping is not appreciated.
We also get a discount for signing up with a 1 or 2 year contract. Not sure if that is a feature of the UK cell phone business. I know it's not a feature in other parts of Europe. If we purchase the phone at full price without a contract, it will be $600.
Furthermore, the gentleman above wants WiFi. So, your comment about "and it's missing one thing?" doesn't make sense; WiFi appears to be an essential "thing" for him.
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anonymous @ 24 October, 2008 02:57:05 PM
it has wifi, it was mentioned on HOFO
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sinfulta @ 24 October, 2008 03:59:32 PM
Yes, American's are cheap. I am an American. Anyone that has traveled abroad or lived there/school what-not will tell you the same thing. If it makes it easier to your ears I will say: American's are more price cautious about certain things they buy. One of those is definitely cell phones.
In the UK a lot of these high end phones are not sold by any carrier and you would order or go into a cellular shop to just buy. Verizon isn't going to market the device with WiFi, and charge $30-$50 more for it so this one consumer can have it. If verizon has a big enough 3G network as they say/claim. Then they are going to charge less for a phone without a feature and it will be in reach to more consumers.
BTW: Anything is subject to change without notice. Who knows what it will have when it hits the street.
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anonymous @ 24 October, 2008 06:43:46 PM
No, American's are cheap. The come expecting a phone to be free. Yes, there is competition, but not enough to warrant the costs phones are now.
I work at a Verizon retailer in the US. We see people coming in who want a dare for free, or they want The Voyager for free with all the bells and whistles included. But then these same customers complain about jobs going overseas.
There is a book called "The Walmart Effect" where the author put it something like this: "American Consumers demand equitable pay, eco-friendly manufacturing, and quality products but are UNWILLING to pay what such products cost." We as americans are cheap. We want as much as possible for as little as possible, even if what we sacrifice (quality) will end up costing us more. Reading the news about the economy will tell you that. So don't get your feathers in a bunch for when people state something that is patently obvious, especially if you work in any form of retail.
Back to the argument at hand, "wi-fi:"
In samsung's defense, they took out the wifi because it is a cost they can cut because Verizon does not push wifi service like other carriers. Since other phones (even samsungs) have wifi on Verizon, the company obviously doesn't put a ban on it. If verizon started offering Wifi "Hotspots" like other carriers, you would see more phones with the feature.
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elgee02 @ 24 October, 2008 06:45:55 PM
If this was not a 3G phone I can understand the need for WiFi, but since this phone has 3G in the form of EVDO Rev A it makes WiFi pointless. WiFi means hunting down free hotspots. VZW's 3G which covers over 80% of the US population means I don't have to worry about it, damn near everywhere I go I have high speed internet.
Good points #49 and #72. I just think it's better to say "Many Americans want products for as cheap of a price as possible, sometimes even for free", rather than saying generic statements about Americans like: "americans are cheap about what they pay" or "knowing how cheap the US is" (as said in post # 29 above).
Not all Americans are cheap. There are a lot of people that spend too much money. How do you explain why people buy a Ferrari or really expensive cars? Why do I stay in a hotel for $300 a night? But I agree with your comments in general and thanks for the reference to "The Walmart Effect". I'm just not a fan of stereotypes for an entire nation of 300 million people.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 12:06:58 PM
I admit that as an American, I am as cheap as the day is long. If by "cheap" you mean constantly watching my expenditures, keeping myself within a very tight budget, purchasing what I can with funds on hand (Credit is an emergency for me), and only purchasing items that I feel is worth my money. I tell you what though, if I find something is worth it to me I will spend the money.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 12:20:14 PM
you have a very small view of the US... and im not trying to put you down... you really should look at the ecomony a little more.. Any major book you read that has to do with American psych when it comes to buying habit and trends will point to the fact that Americans expect cheap and fast. We are a throw away society with a demand for instant gradification... There are three basic market principles and you only can have two. Cheap, good, fast.(cost, value, speed) Americans prefer cheap and fast.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 03:10:23 PM
WiFi is not pointless. Some people don't want to pay extra $ a month for a data plan. WiFi enables that type of customer to still be able to take advantage of the full browser and large screen to browse the internet on when they're in a WiFi hotspot.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 11:06:53 PM
you dont need wi fi if you have phone w/verizon thats for poor fools with at&t
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anonymous @ 27 October, 2008 09:56:32 AM
I've been testing the OMNIA for two weeks and it DOES have WiFi, fyi.
Brits are known to be "frugal." Americans are extravagant. We are the idiots who buy $300 sneakers and $250 jeans.
We are, however, SPOILED. We are such big spenders that a carrier knows if they can subsidize the phone enough, they'll make enough on us in two years of billing to more than compensate for substantial (sometimes mind blowing) discounts in the early price of the device.
As for WiFi, it's true that the iPhone AUTOMATICALLY connects to wifi when its available, apparently to save data usage - for AT&T, not for the user, and the App store doesn't even seem to work on 3G, but requires a wiFi connection. I would add, however, that while 3G is fast, it's not as fast as 801.g wireless. NOPE.
I have been with VZW for 5 years and am getting ready to jump ship to Sprint for the Touch Pro; so this news is a little disconcerting because Big Red is finally getting some worth-while phones. But, I think I am still going to make the switch because the rumors have been (and they appear to be backed up in this article) that VZW is going to do what they always do and screw up a good phone by not including Touch Flo 3D with the Raphael. There are also rumors that their version is going to have a slower processor, and other downgrades from Sprint's Touch Pro. I just wish Verizon would release truly great phones to go with their great coverage; and stop messing phones up before they release them.
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vzw fanboy @ 24 October, 2008 01:59:29 PM
going from verizon to sprint is a big step down in terms of average coverage.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 10:29:05 AM
VZW doesn't really mess with the interface on smartphones, so I would really expect it to have the touchflo 3d. Everything you mentioned is rumors and speculation. If you switch just because of something that /may/ happen, then you deserve what you get.
I don't think Verizon goes to the phone makers and tells them we want a slower process, less memory, no wi-fi and so on. What probably happens is that each carrier bids for each handset and they are given exclusitivity to sell the handset on their network. The manufacturers then go and make another phone with different features, give it a different name and sell it to the other carriers. Verizon seems to favor RIM more so that is probably why they get new models first. Sprint seems to favor HTC and so on.
Yeah, they are all rumors but if you frequent phonearena and other cell phone websites like I do (and I assume you because you replied to my comment) then you know all of these sites are comprised of rumors and heresay. And the reason these sites are so popular is because more often than not they are pretty accurate with their rumors and the like. Anyway, I am well aware of the fact that Sprint is a downgrade in coverage area; but when you have been waiting as long as I have been for a great phone that does everything I need it to do, you start to consider sacrificing service for utility.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 08:03:14 PM
You have to get what works for you. It is obvious you know there might be some short comings in service, but then again there may not be depending on your area. I say try it out and if it works great and if it doesn't do what you want.
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The only phones that require a data plan are the blackberry phones on verizon. The wm phones don't but they are recomended. And no, they don't support the cheaper vpak plans.
I figured it wasn't a necessity. BUT, If you wanted to use any data the Data package was all that was available no Vpak.
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anonymous @ 24 October, 2008 10:38:46 PM
I was told I have to have a data plan with my treo. I don't want it. Was I lied to?
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 10:30:28 AM
Yes. You were lied to, sort of. A lot of the prices quoted for smartphones include an 'advanced device credit' which is usually an extra $100 or so off the phone, when you get a data plan. So you could have gotten the treo without a data plan, but probably would have paid more for it.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 11:28:07 AM
there is no such thing as an "advance device credit" anymore. They stopped that like 8 months ago bub. pricing is what the 2 yr pricing is now, with MIR which is 70 on pda/bberrys. no more wierdo pricing, the ADC is already "included" in the 2 yr price now so its easier for everyone... which is why, if you pay attention, all pda's/bbs are cheaper than they were last year by the same amount.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 12:21:55 PM
My mistake. It's been a year since I priced phones. Regardless, you do not need a data plan on a treo.
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anonymous @ 25 October, 2008 02:41:28 PM
As a sales rep that is the under handed way to do it but in all having a data plan and using greatly reduces the risk of a return.... all you have to show the customer is everything you CANT do without the data plan and then ask them why they are a paying for a phone you cant use
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anonymous @ 26 October, 2008 05:23:06 PM
Or pay as you go. But that would be pointless. I AM SO SICK of people buying all these data devices and not using the phone for what it's intended for! Stop trying to get something jam-packed with a bunch of features you don't need and get something that's actually beneficial to you. If you want a data device,pay the extra 29.99 a month for the data plan!
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Actually, I have been waiting for the omnia for a long time, and before I read this article, I thought about to give up to wait for it and to choose AT&T's suff. But, I think It's almost done. It's Oct 24th. I wish I'm gonna get it as fast as i can. I saw some interesting response about omnia in other article. There's someone mentioned about the releasing date unclearly, "omnia will be out by the end of october as per a verizon retention customer service rep" Hey guys~ How's ur opinion? I can't hardly wait. I already wait for a long time. If someone have a good information~ Let's Share~ I need a cell phone!!!!!!!!
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anonymous @ 27 October, 2008 10:19:16 PM
THere source is a single VZW call center rep? Retention reps will say nearly anything to get a customer to stay, (seriously, you wouldnt belive the stuff i've seen call center reps comment), but i wouln't ever switch carriers just for a *cough*(I)*cough*phone. especially now that ATT's network is so BADLY overworked and cant keep up. At least stick around for a month, some VERRRRY interesting stuff coming out...
I'm a business customer and I talked to my rep since I got the Samsung I760 2 weeks before almost everyone hehehe, He did mention the release date for the storm is November 17 but the Omnia might be delayed a little. I will post as soon as I find out.
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